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      10-14-2013, 11:38 AM   #45
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Racing this guy was about purposeful as having navigation screen load time races with another car. Silly comparison.
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      10-14-2013, 11:43 AM   #46
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Perfectly driven with perfect traction, the M3 would be faster to 60. But driving is often not perfect and traction is rarely perfect. The Jeep SRT has AWD so it is much easier to accelerate to its limits. I am not surprised at all by this street encounter.

If the race continued to 100, the M3 would have been gaining ground if not pulling even or maybe ahead. If the race continued past 100, the M3 should be pulling ahead -- you can see that in the quarter mile trap speeds.
As you say, given good traction (no such thing as perfect traction), the M3 would be faster to 60, as the road tests already show - but that doesn't say who's actually ahead at 60 (either car's 60).

Time to speed and time to distance are almost completely unrelated, so the Jeep could still be ahead at 60, given its torque and superior launch capability with AWD.

The most you can say about a time-to-speed comparison is that the "quicker" car has a better than 50% chance of being ahead at the time.

At a complete guess in this case, I believe the Jeep will likely still be ahead of the bimmer when it hits 60 because of its torque and AWD launch, but of course the M3 will be gaining at that time, having already hit 60 almost a second sooner.

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      10-14-2013, 12:33 PM   #47
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The SRT really is a beast... one of my best friends has one too. But like many vehicles these days it's only a beast off the line. They are geared and tuned to max out the torque early to make them feel faster than they really are. The trap speeds and 0-60 are irrelevant when the vehicle is tuned for maximum performance from 0-20.

It's a common "trick" used to make a car feel a lot more powerful than it is because the average person nails the gas from a dead stop and is impressed when they're pushed back in their seats. This sells cars, end of story. Get them much over that and all of a sudden the rest of the physics of weight and air resistance overcome the gearing and you've got average 20-60 speeds. For an SUV, the SRT is damned fast... compared to the M3, not so much.

I'm out of town on a business trip this week and driving a rental Hyundai Sonata with a buzzy little 4-banger. Straight off the lights and nail the gas and this is ALSO a fast car up to about 20mph... it'd probably get the jump on me in my M3 because I have to get the revs up before the power really kicks in. But my M3 would quickly catch up and very soon would be nothing but tail lights in front of it.

I don't drive the M3 because it'll press me in my seat from 0-20... I drive the M3 because it rewards good driving with a solid press into my seat from 20 all the way to instant-jail-time speeds. And it does all this with a chassis that feels like I'm driving a bank vault it's so solid... yet has a supple and compliant enough ride that I've yet to find a road that's gotten it confused. The SRT as powerful as it is can't compete.
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      10-14-2013, 12:36 PM   #48
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So I'm with my gf at a stoplight, and some guy pulls up next to me in a jeep, it didn't even cross my mind about the model or whatever, and he starts revving his engine, so I think whatever, probs some teen let me leave him right here. Light turns green, and all i see is his taillights and srt. I'm thinking in my head wtf, i have DCT and I got a good launch... ego kinda took a hit for a sec
If you want to win stoplight drags, get a car with turbos and all wheel drive.
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      10-14-2013, 12:44 PM   #49
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If you want to win stoplight drags, get a car with turbos and all wheel drive.
This is true. An Evo with launch control will smoke just about anything off the line up until a GT-R. Then a GT-R will win most anything beyond that.
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      10-14-2013, 01:47 PM   #50
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look I have an m3 and love it too, but the 3.9 was in one test and seemingly is an anomaly

id say the average tested 0-60 is somewhere around 4.5 seconds. some quicker, some slower.

part of the problem is the lack of traction in lower gears.

that said, the m3 is clearly the faster car compared to the jeep, the trap speeds tell the story
WHS. Also, you'd expect that the best M3 0-60 times are when using launch control, and I'm guessing the OP wasn't. You have to really want to race to go through the launch control setup process, and most don't bother.

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Around the time I first got my M3 (6MT E90) I was in Austin, coming from the 183A to 45S interchange. I was near the bottom of the long, sweeping left hander when I saw some HID headlights coming....fast. I was doing about 80 in 6th, and started dropping gears. By the time I was geared correctly and on the gas, a Jeep SRT-8 came *blowing* by. I couldn't gain on him for 3-4 seconds, but I started walking him down eventually. It got off the freeway before I could execute the pass. Thing was beastly.

For those saying they are only beastly off the line, might want to check that and go to Youtube. Just like all other vehicles, there are plenty of them that are modded, including this 1100hp, full interior (5000lbs!), daily driven 10.2x @ 13x.xx mph monster. Dude is stroked to 7.0, and running a s/c.


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This is true. An Evo with launch control will smoke just about anything off the line up until a GT-R. Then a GT-R will win most anything beyond that.
FWIW, I am replacing my daily driver Cayenne GTS with an Audi S6. A simple tune will get me 0-60 in the low-mid 3's and 1/4 in the mid 11's at over 120. Even stock, the car is a helluva stoplight drag sleeper.

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      10-14-2013, 03:11 PM   #56
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FWIW, I am replacing my daily driver Cayenne GTS with an Audi S6. A simple tune will get me 0-60 in the low-mid 3's and 1/4 in the mid 11's at over 120. Even stock, the car is a helluva stoplight drag sleeper.
You are talking about a car more than double the price of an Evo and on par with a lightly used GT-R. A flash tuned Evo will take you to mid to high 3s 0-60 and a high 12 second quarter mile which is good for a $35k car with a $500 tune and scare most people at a stop light. And I would pick a GT-R over an S6 any day even with the GT-R's less comfortable ride and refinement.
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      10-14-2013, 03:22 PM   #57
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You are talking about a car more than double the price of an Evo and on par with a lightly used GT-R. A flash tuned Evo will take you to mid to high 3s 0-60 and a high 12 second quarter mile which is good for a $35k car with a $500 tune and scare most people at a stop light. And I would pick a GT-R over an S6 any day even with the GT-R's less comfortable ride and refinement.
A GTR and an S6 are two TOTALLY different types of cars. One is a pure performance monster while the other is a luxury rocket. I have zero desire for a car with lack of refinement. And for the price, an S6 is a tremendous value. It will complement my M3 very nicely. There is no question about what I am after here...luxury, style, and space with blistering street capability. I cross shopped a 550xi M-sport also, but it didn't steer as well and the interior was not as nicely styled.
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A GTR and an S6 are two TOTALLY different types of cars. One is a pure performance monster while the other is a luxury rocket. I have zero desire for a car with lack of refinement. And for the price, an S6 is a tremendous value. It will complement my M3 very nicely. There is no question about what I am after here...luxury, style, and space with blistering street capability. I cross shopped a 550xi M-sport also, but it didn't steer as well and the interior was not as nicely styled.
Well, for your DD in addition to an M3, I can see your point of view.

For us younger single people who have 1 do-everything car, I'd pick the fun rocket ship vs the comfortable cruiser any day.
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A GTR and an S6 are two TOTALLY different types of cars. One is a pure performance monster while the other is a luxury rocket. I have zero desire for a car with lack of refinement. And for the price, an S6 is a tremendous value. It will complement my M3 very nicely. There is no question about what I am after here...luxury, style, and space with blistering street capability. I cross shopped a 550xi M-sport also, but it didn't steer as well and the interior was not as nicely styled.
good choice on the s6 vs the 550. BMW definitely gets spanked in that comparison

I think you will really enjoy it
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Well, for your DD in addition to an M3, I can see your point of view.

For us younger single people who have 1 do-everything car, I'd pick the fun rocket ship vs the comfortable cruiser any day.
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The AWD twin turbo 4.0L S6 looks like an incredible car. Let us know whether you are still interested in driving the M3.
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FWIW, I am replacing my daily driver Cayenne GTS with an Audi S6. A simple tune will get me 0-60 in the low-mid 3's and 1/4 in the mid 11's at over 120. Even stock, the car is a helluva stoplight drag sleeper.

I remember we were discussing the S6 before and you didn't seem that impressed with it.

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I am pretty darn sure the results would of been the same if the new E63 Amg was to pull next to you as well. M3 is no longer that fast off the line and there are some amazing cars that can beat it off the line at a red light.
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FWIW, I am replacing my daily driver Cayenne GTS with an Audi S6. A simple tune will get me 0-60 in the low-mid 3's and 1/4 in the mid 11's at over 120. Even stock, the car is a helluva stoplight drag sleeper.
Weren't you the one that just kept saying there is no other car as refined as Porsche just couple of months ago? S6 / 7 are great choices as daily drivers for sure....... Not sure if I would want to pay that much for a daily driver though. Plus our roads and traffic is just horrible for a nice DD like S6.
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