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      09-17-2013, 02:51 PM   #45
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C7 is a good car only in US.
Take into account the fuel consumption and the taxes that must be payed for such a car in Europe
M4 will decrease quite a lot the fuel consumption over the E92 M3, but will also increase its performances.
It is for sure a cultural difference when choosing the cars
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      09-17-2013, 02:53 PM   #46
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One thing they didn't mention...

fueleconomy.gov

I think we all get the idea.
Highway MPG for C7 is amazing....drove a C6 Z06 before and was getting 27+ MPG when cruising, much better than my E92
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      09-17-2013, 02:55 PM   #47
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True, but the E92 is already 3K over the C7's sticker as tested, and the new M3/M4 will likely carry a 80K+ sticker when you add a few options. That will be more than 10K over the C7's sticker.

Also, when the new M3/M4 hit the dealers, they will probably try to market it up or do MSRP for a while, but by that time you should be able to order a C7 with good discount.

Performance wise yes it's very interesting to see (I think the new M3/M4 will be closer to C7's performance figures, but still won't be that close), but when we see new M3/M4 on the street the market price of it may be 15-20% higher than a nice C7...

Not saying it's fair to compare the C7 with E92, but IMO it also wouldn't be fair to compare the new M3/M4 with C7 due to the significant price difference.

Another thing I want to see in the new M3/M4 is if it will have a new adjustable suspension system, the 3rd generation Magnetic Ride Control($2K option on C7) is MAGICAL. Tried it on a ZL1 and it beats any other adjustable/adaptable suspension systems I have ever encountered.

Don't think so...C7 Vette performs like ///M5-6 !
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Spot on !
+1 on that, I don't know about EU nations, but in China the new M3/M4 will get a 12% displacement tax (on top of VAT and import tax) and the C7 will get 40% displacement tax.

They tax cars between 2500cc to 2999cc 12%, 3000-3999cc 25%, and 4000c and above 40%....

Cumulative tax for new M3/M4 in China will be about 64%, while the Vette will get taxed 105%.....
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Don't think so...C7 Vette performs like ///M5-6 !
It will destroy M5/M6 in corners....
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      09-17-2013, 03:04 PM   #50
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Really edmunds? 4.9s 0-60?!

I thought it was:

E92: 4.4s
E90: 4.7s
E93: 4.9s

Here is why:
"Unfortunately the Launch Control wouldn't work on this M3. A very German BMW official told us it's possible the car had reached its "max lifetime launch limit" before it got to us. Without LC or a third pedal, the M3 is hard to get to leave the line cleanly. Going straight from brake to throttle causes a huge hesitation, then it drops the clutch and there's big wheelspin. The alternative is a slow, bogging departure. Our best run was achieved via brake/throttle overlap followed by initially easy throttle as the clutches engage and the car starts to move, then full throttle. We have no doubt there's about three-tenths to be gained with LC or the proper manual."

How does BMW claim 4.4s and these guys think they can only get 4.6s? WTH. I had been thinking the 4.4s number was without LC. Oh well.
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Really edmunds? 4.9s 0-60?!

I thought it was:

E92: 4.4s
E90: 4.7s
E93: 4.9s

Here is why:
"Unfortunately the Launch Control wouldn't work on this M3. A very German BMW official told us it's possible the car had reached its "max lifetime launch limit" before it got to us. Without LC or a third pedal, the M3 is hard to get to leave the line cleanly. Going straight from brake to throttle causes a huge hesitation, then it drops the clutch and there's big wheelspin. The alternative is a slow, bogging departure. Our best run was achieved via brake/throttle overlap followed by initially easy throttle as the clutches engage and the car starts to move, then full throttle. We have no doubt there's about three-tenths to be gained with LC or the proper manual."

How does BMW claim 4.4s and these guys think they can only get 4.6s? WTH. I had been thinking the 4.4s number was without LC. Oh well.
4.4s is probably the time with one foot roll out or LC...or both? I don't think the M3 can reach 4.4s without LC AND one foot roll out...

btw I just checked and the BMW NA website says 0-60 in 4.8s
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+1 on that, I don't know about EU nations, but in China the new M3/M4 will get a 12% displacement tax (on top of VAT and import tax) and the C7 will get 40% displacement tax.

They tax cars between 2500cc to 2999cc 12%, 3000-3999cc 25%, and 4000c and above 40%....

Cumulative tax for new M3/M4 in China will be about 64%, while the Vette will get taxed 105%.....
100% agreed !
Here in Belgium....
Driver taxes.....
First time in trafic for my ///M3 E92.....5,000 Euro +2,000 Euro yearly driver tax = 7,000 Euro >>> $ 9,367 USD !!!
When i keep the car for about 10 years .....7,000 Euro + 2,000Euro yearly tax X 9 (18.000 Euro )
So for 10 year to drive with this car> 7.000+18.000 =25.000 Euro !!!
And 25.000 Euro = $ 33,455 USD TAXES !!! (WTF)
When we changed to the Euro coin ...it seems like everything is made from gold ...what a f@cking country....
Thats why i want to say.....GOD BLESS AMERICA
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Don't think so...C7 Vette performs like ///M5-6 !
lol. The C7 destroys the M5/6
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      09-17-2013, 04:17 PM   #54
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Interesting that BMW seems to be headed away from the very thing that has made them one of the best selling cars in the world. When the car reaches end of life, BMWs become kids street rods or dedicated track cars. Lots of parts, great performance. Similar platforms (coupes) never see the track later in life.

I just sold my 2008 M Roadster and its performance always surprised the casual Vette, Mustang etc that revved up next to me at a light. If BMW wanted to compete against the Vette in the US, the Z4 platform with a V8 or similar high power turbo offering would be the key. I am always surprised at how little attention the RLL Z4s get in ALMS.

I guess not everyone wants to drive a clown shoe, but I would be get in line for a Z4 M Coupe with a V8.
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Before all the flame throwers come out for mentioning an M Coupe on this forum, I have an E36 and E46 track car in the garage. The E36 is competition ready and the E46 is in evolution. Despite my sadness related to the seeming cultural shift at BMW away from performance to producing luxury cars, I still have BMW in my blood.
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      09-17-2013, 04:52 PM   #56
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Good review and nice to see the comeback of companies that were in bankruptcy (really speaks to rejuvenation potential of US businesses). However, the price of the Vette rather surprised me (just being a couple $k less than the M3), but I guess as the quality gap closes, so should the price. Of course the performance speaks for itself, with very few criticisms. Impressive!
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the irony of that is that they admitted to rather have the m3 as an everyday driver.
The one thing about Edmunds is their "conclusions" sometimes don't always correspond to the content of their review Having said that, as a pure daily driver, I would probably take the M3 too... the C7 can absolutely be a DD but is it the "best" daily option? Probably not.
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Can't argue with 'vettes performance but it is an old man's car. Men in their 50s and 60s seem to me to be primary drivers. Take a look at next few of em you see on the road and take note of who is driving. It is the car most american kids grew up wanting (myself included) and many can't afford it until later in life, hence the older drivers.
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C7 is a good car only in US.
Take into account the fuel consumption and the taxes that must be payed for such a car in Europe
M4 will decrease quite a lot the fuel consumption over the E92 M3, but will also increase its performances.
It is for sure a cultural difference when choosing the cars
Yeah the E9x M3 mpg at 14/20 isn't that great.

The C7 actually gets good mpg at 18 city 29 highway. It has an eco mode and cylinder deactivation for long highway drives.
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I drive a C6 and and used to drive a e92 3 series, and I gotta say white people and black people love the vette. I get compliments and waves from white people all the time. I'm sure the C7 will attract a wider variety due to their newly designed exterior. That being said, I opted to buy the new 4 series instead of the new vette.
I think price wise you would have to compare the Z07 with the new m4/m3's. The base model of the vette is around 11-13k cheaper than the new m4 assuming the m4's MSRP is going to be around 62-64k. A 435i with msport will be similar to the base model of the C7 corvettes. After driving the C6 for a little over a year, I understand why M3 drivers would not cross shop, it's a completely different type of fanbase imo.
The feel of driving a GM car is very different from the feel of driving a BMW, especially an M.
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It is fantastic how great of a car the E92 M3 is to this day! I still miss my M3.

At some point, I will have an M4 as my DD and the C7 as my weekend/track car. BMW is in my blood.

This comment surprised me about the C7...

"Then there are the Corvette's optional magnetically adjustable dampers, which shame the M3 when it comes to ride quality. No other car can so thoroughly destroy a race circuit before turning around and coddling its fatigued driver on the interstate journey home. All it takes is the turn of a knob."

I'm glad to hear that ride quality is very good on the C7. GM also seems to have nailed the steering. Hopefully BMW will have the same quality electric steering in the M4. Who am I kidding, of course they will
I see you have a Stingray on order gthal. It's cool that you're getting to experience all these great cars.
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The M3 is no longer in production, is a dated chassis and is compared to a brand new 'vette? Really, this is idiotic.

And everyone says its a better car, I'd say go buy one then. It would be great support for Chevrolet. Be gret to have them post their findings relative to their existing M3's.

I wouldn't touch the car ever. I am not a 'vette guy just like I'm not Mustang guy or Camaro guy or 'hemi guy.

Lets wait for the new M4 and comparo and then its at least relevant.

This is neither relevant or surprising.
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I see you have a Stingray on order gthal. It's cool that you're getting to experience all these great cars.
Yes... I'm lucky (and won't be able to retire until I'm 83 ). I love cars... fast cars... nice cars... sporty cars. The C7 will be fun. My eyes will then be on an M4 for a DD... and maybe a C7 Z06 I think I mean 91 for retirement
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Many of my friends who are BMW loyalists are seriously cross shopping the New C7. It's impossible to ignore if you are performance minded and with the release coming before M4 many sales will be lost. As some of you stated for these buyers it will be a price point vs performance question and the fact that GM finally came out of the 80s with the Interior even gave me pause for a quick second though, but never thought I would even dare to compare. I know BMW will come through and can't wait to order for an Euro Delivery next year!
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The M3 is no longer in production, is a dated chassis and is compared to a brand new 'vette? Really, this is idiotic.

And everyone says its a better car, I'd say go buy one then. It would be great support for Chevrolet. Be gret to have them post their findings relative to their existing M3's.

I wouldn't touch the car ever. I am not a 'vette guy just like I'm not Mustang guy or Camaro guy or 'hemi guy.

Lets wait for the new M4 and comparo and then its at least relevant.

This is neither relevant or surprising.
They first ran the C7 against a Viper, GTR, and 911 Carrera S, all new cars.
They are putting it against all contenders, why not throw one of the most popular "do it all" sports cars in the mix regardless of production timing?

Still hard to believe the track performance. Wow, Chevrolet, Wow.
Faster around the track than a track pack 2014 GTR. Pretty cool.

Once the Z07 arrives the embarrassment party will really start. Rumors of a turbocharged v8. Time will tell.
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I call BS on this in particular "corvette VS M3" comparo...

Sounds like Chevrolet promo.

Why compare 2-seater roadster corvette to a 4-seater E92 M3?

and how about 5 seater, 4 door E90 M3?
Why would a roadster be compared to that?
How about Chevy sticks their Vett up their @ and compare it to MB SL???

... and No Farewell to M3!
M3 is around and about and back with major upgrades and with sister M4 in just a few months!

M3 FTW!!!

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