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      09-16-2013, 03:22 PM   #23
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The 12 fatalities reported include one of the shooters. Acoording to unconfrmed reports, the dead shooter is a Navy serviceman, who was either fired or "transferred" (demoted?) recently. Yet other sources claim ihe was a civilian contractor.
yet another example of the media filling in gaps with their own story line.
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      09-16-2013, 03:28 PM   #24
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Also seems like the media can't wait to escalate a news story. they loved all the hysteria of possible extra shooters. I'm sure the police were just being cautious to make sure the scene was clear and the news took it as breaking news and shock and awe to get more people interested.




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So just one shooter now. That would be more believable. Hard to fathom a group going nuts like this, although we did see that with Columbine. Seems the world is going mad.
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      09-16-2013, 04:08 PM   #25
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yet another example of the media filling in gaps with their own story line.
Actually it is known now that Aaron Alexis, despite being a "civilian contractor", also served full-time in the US Navy reserve from 2007 to 2011 as petty officer 3rd class. This can explain where those seemengly contradictory descriptions are stemming from.

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      09-16-2013, 05:33 PM   #26
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My wife works for Lockheed here on the Cali coast. She got a robo-call this morning just after 0600 informing her of the shooting. . . then she called me to see if I knew anything???

Yeah, I saw a headline about a shooting at the ship yard back east. Since it's thousands of miles away, I didn't rush home to break out the armory. Go back to sleep, honey.
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      09-16-2013, 05:33 PM   #27
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Woohoo!
It's not an Arab or a Muslim!
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      09-16-2013, 05:39 PM   #28
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Could be a closet muslim or a convert that went extreme.



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It's not an Arab or a Muslim!
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      09-16-2013, 05:40 PM   #29
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Could be a closet muslim or a convert that went extreme.
Don't jinx it please
We've had our fair share of psychos that ruin it for everyone
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      09-16-2013, 05:50 PM   #30
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I used to use their medical facility when I was active duty (Marines).. they had pretty good security
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      09-16-2013, 06:23 PM   #31
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Yea no wasn't being offensive just saying maybe he is/was and its not out yet.




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      09-16-2013, 06:28 PM   #32
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the guy reporting for CNN from Ft worth(shooters home town) mentioned that he would stay in his room for long periods of time playing violent video games. LOLZ.
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If Obama had a son, he'd look like Aaron Alexis.

Oh sorry, I guess that coin only has 1 side.. my bad...
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Yea no wasn't being offensive just saying maybe he is/was and its not out yet.
No didn't take it as offensive
I love the "not out yet"
Being Muslim isn't like being gay
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If Obama had a son, he'd look like Aaron Alexis.

Oh sorry, I guess that coin only has 1 side.. my bad...
Let me take a wild guess
You're not a white Republican are you?
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      09-16-2013, 07:05 PM   #36
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Let me take a wild guess
You're not a white Republican are you?
Well, I dont like the idea of government telling me who you can marry, so that would rule me out as a card-carrying Republican. I am 50% more white than Obama.
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I agree that it is shocking a military location is a gun free zone.

I just don't like the notion of arming locations( such as schools). It doesn't solve the problem. Just like banning assault rifles or limiting magazine rounds doesn't solve it.
Just to be clear, I wouldn't consider removing school free zones to be "arming then". That suggests we take down the signs and then issue rifles to un-trained teachers and faculty members. To me, that's what "arming them" implies or at the very least, carries that connotation.

Most are simply talking about allowing those people who carry everywhere else ALREADY, not have that ability taken away in these isolated areas people prey on.

This is why many people don't like gun free zones. It perpetuates this idea that guns are some how dangerous and not people or somehow commit crime and not criminals. It's legislation based on fear and emotion and not facts or logic
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      09-16-2013, 07:09 PM   #38
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haha touche



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No didn't take it as offensive
I love the "not out yet"
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Well, I dont like the idea of government telling me who you can marry, so that would rule me out as a card-carrying Republican. I am 50% more white than Obama.
I'd rather a government that protects me from marriage altogether
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So CNN was so quick to say it was a "fully automatic military style assault weapon, probably an AR15" yesterday.

Here is their current story:
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I love how anyone who is not familiar with guns these days sees anything but a pistol and they conclude it must be the child killing fully automatic military assault weapon. Amazing how much influence the media has.


Sounds like he rolled in with a shotgun, stole two pistols from guards. No AR involved at all.



Edit: Also he rented a rifle? Anyone ever hear of this?
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Love the media. Find someone (anyone) who will tell you something and print it as fact. From today's story about the NJ Boardwalk fire:

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...according to a person who has been briefed on the matter.

...said the person, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he had not been authorized to discuss the findings.
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So CNN was so quick to say it was a "fully automatic military style assault weapon, probably an AR15" yesterday.

Here is their current story:
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I love how anyone who is not familiar with guns these days sees anything but a pistol and they conclude it must be the child killing fully automatic military assault weapon. Amazing how much influence the media has.


Sounds like he rolled in with a shotgun, stole two pistols from guards. No AR involved at all.



Edit: Also he rented a rifle? Anyone ever hear of this?
My local gun shop and range is among the 5 largest shop/ranges in the country and they don't have ARs for rent. They do have handguns for rent but even if they did rent ARs, just like the hand guns, you wouldn't be able to take them outside of their range.

It's like they added that garbage so they didn't seem so off base with their "facts".
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      09-17-2013, 10:14 AM   #43
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My local gun shop and range is among the 5 largest shop/ranges in the country and they don't have ARs for rent. They do have handguns for rent but even if they did rent ARs, just like the hand guns, you wouldn't be able to take them outside of their range.

It's like they added that garbage so they didn't seem so off base with their "facts".
Of the multiple locations around me, some pretty popular (one was even on TV), I've never heard of renting an AR. Not to mention renting it and taking it off their premises.

The media in this country is out of control.
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Edit: Also he rented a rifle? Anyone ever hear of this?
It was probably at a shooting range (only place I have heard of it), they love to write AR15 and will come up with any reason to do so.

also interesting:
'U.S. law enforcement officials are telling The Associated Press that the Navy contractor identified as the gunman in the mass shootings at the Washington Navy Yard had been suffering a host of serious mental issues, including paranoia and a sleep disorder. He also had been hearing voices in his head, the officials said.

Aaron Alexis, 34, had been treated since August by the Veterans Administration for his mental problems, the officials said. '
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