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      08-31-2013, 05:50 AM   #23
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Exactly! 20 years ago, sub 5s from a Porsche Turbo was lightening fast. Now a full size sedan can hit 4.5! I always wondered how much faster can cars be, 0-60 in 1-2 seconds in 10 years or sooner?
4.5? the bohemoth Audi S8 does it in 3.5 !!!

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And you base this assumption on the ever fatter new iterations of cars?
Agreed. Weight and size seemingly keep increasing too. I test drove an M5 and a 650i. Both were fast yet both felt like land yachts. The 650 especially. At least the M5 felt tighter on the road, but it still felt HUGE.
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New car technology are all adaptations of hardcore physics and engineering research. I suspect a breaking new technology will appear like nothing we have known before. From a pure engineering standpoint moving one or two people using a 2 ton object is 5% efficient. Horsepower per killogram displaced will have to replace engine horsepower. I expect a reduction of 10 times in the mass of cars and at the same 10 times increase in artificial intelligence and collisions avoidance. Collision between moving objects will become a fun fact of the past talked about in history books. Instead of cruise controlling speed, we will cruise control acceleration as people get airborne spending half of their trip accelerating to insane speeds and the other half deccelerating back before reaching their destination. The automatic autopilot will be so capable that the human passenger will be allowed to toy blindfolded with the commands and no accident will be possible. The fun will no longer be about being transported but in moving to 5 or more different locations around the globe in the same day and everyday. OR.... much more likely, we have another world conflict this time with nuclear weapons and there are no technology advances for the next 4 or 5 centuries.
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New car technology are all adaptations of hardcore physics and engineering research. I suspect a breaking new technology will appear like nothing we have known before. From a pure engineering standpoint moving one or two people using a 2 ton object is 5% efficient. Horsepower per killogram displaced will have to replace engine horsepower. I expect a reduction of 10 times in the mass of cars and at the same 10 times increase in artificial intelligence and collisions avoidance. Collision between moving objects will become a fun fact of the past talked about in history books. Instead of cruise controlling speed, we will cruise control acceleration as people get airborne spending half of their trip accelerating to insane speeds and the other half deccelerating back before reaching their destination. The automatic autopilot will be so capable that the human passenger will be allowed to toy blindfolded with the commands and no accident will be possible. The fun will no longer be about being transported but in moving to 5 or more different locations around the globe in the same day and everyday. OR.... much more likely, we have another world conflict this time with nuclear weapons and there are no technology advances for the next 4 or 5 centuries.
You have too much free time on your hands. Go cure world hunger, or something like that.

However.....on a related note, I do believe that within a decade we will have cars that can completely drive themselves.
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Exactly! 20 years ago, sub 5s from a Porsche Turbo was lightening fast. Now a full size sedan can hit 4.5! I always wondered how much faster can cars be, 0-60 in 1-2 seconds in 10 years or sooner?
nismo gtr r35 0-60 in 2 sec
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HP will go up as long as they can make More HP while be More and More efficient, 1995 5.0 mustang made 225hp, today that same displacement 5.0 mustang makes 440hp and gets better MPG with Gobs more Torque.
A toyota Sienna makes more then 225hp from a 3.5 v6
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You have too much free time on your hands. Go cure world hunger, or something like that.

However.....on a related note, I do believe that within a decade we will have cars that can completely drive themselves.
Curing world hunger is about curing human greed and corruption not about engineering new foods.
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You have too much free time on your hands. Go cure world hunger, or something like that.

However.....on a related note, I do believe that within a decade we will have cars that can completely drive themselves.
Curing world hunger is about curing human greed and corruption not about engineering new foods.
But at some level it's all math right
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I do believe that within a decade we will have cars that can completely drive themselves.
Well, we are getting there. A lot of people sweat over parallel parking, but now they can just push a button and the car parks itself. First thing comes to mind, the Lexus commercial where a Lexus LS parallel parks between stacks of champagne glasses
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Rather than just numbers, the way of delivering the power is what's really going to change.
Notice how electric tuned cars with motor on each wheel beats twin turbo gas cars
without much hp but crazy torque and just a different way of delivering the power?

See the new Supra and NSX being hybrid?
gasoline engines will die out eventually, and the world of diesels and hybrid will dominate even the high performance world, and later the electric motors...

Am I looking too far? I don't think so...
within about 20 years, diesels will finally be the "majority" fuel for passenger cars in the US.
Within about 30 years, hybrids and diesels will dominate US crowd, high performance cars will be flooded with hybrid technology.
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4 seconds 0-60 is now 'normal', seems like over 5 sec is slow...
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My first car was an eclipse turbo n I thought that thing was fast as hell. Now 200hp in a car is the norm.
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      08-31-2013, 07:59 PM   #35
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I think we're going to see Engine HP + Electric Motor output wars.

Bragging rights to see who can get the most overall power out put with the smallest petrol engine supplemented by an electric drivetrain.
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Tires and traction will need to improve too. Maybe even new roadway surfaces.
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Didn't Japan have a restriction on cars in the 1980s and 1990s to 290hp or something like that? I remember reading that over ten years ago.

Otherwise we could have seen the 1991-2005 Acura NSX with 300-400hp 20 years ago. I remember the R34 stock numbers were low too.
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we may reach limits of the ability of humans to track a moving objects. And measurements will be based on speed and quickness rather than horsepower.
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As long as there is flat road and some kid aching to beat his buddy to the finish line there wont be an end to more and more horsepower. It's either going to come from a car maker or from someones garage. And that's because, in the natural order of things, horsepower is a stronger idea than the car industry itself.
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4 seconds 0-60 is now 'normal', seems like over 5 sec is slow...
Before 0-60 in high 4s was considered as fast. Now cars are getting 0-60 in high or even low 2s
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Before 0-60 in high 4s was considered as fast. Now cars are getting 0-60 in high or even low 2s
tire technology is playing a huge role there as well.
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doubt it. It might level off, but I can't see the power dropping off on performance cars.
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Didn't Japan have a restriction on cars in the 1980s and 1990s to 290hp or something like that? I remember reading that over ten years ago.

Otherwise we could have seen the 1991-2005 Acura NSX with 300-400hp 20 years ago. I remember the R34 stock numbers were low too.
It was like 20 years ago. In the early-mid 90's there was a wave of turbocharged performance cars to come from Japan. (Supra, 300Z, Mitsubishi 3000GT, Mazda RX-7) This was the beginning of an unrelenting war in horsepower. In about 2000 or so, that wave shifted from Japan to Europe, then back to include the good old USA with the muscle car renaissance.

I remember back to 1999, when I bought my first "nice" car, a B5 platform Audi S4. Stock it came with 250hp and 258lb-ft. With an ECU upgrade (no flash back then, you had to physically solder a chip onto the ECU board), it put out over 320hp and people were shitting their pants over that kind of power and performance.
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