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CNN |
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49 | 35.00% |
BBC |
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42 | 30.00% |
Le Monde Diplomatique |
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2 | 1.43% |
Los Angeles Times |
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7 | 5.00% |
New York Times |
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21 | 15.00% |
Reuters |
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27 | 19.29% |
Salon.com |
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5 | 3.57% |
The Washington Post |
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14 | 10.00% |
Slate Magazine |
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4 | 2.86% |
World Press Review |
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3 | 2.14% |
Alter.Net |
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2 | 1.43% |
Wall Street Journal |
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28 | 20.00% |
Barron's |
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4 | 2.86% |
Al Jazeera |
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10 | 7.14% |
Truthout |
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3 | 2.14% |
The Nation |
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3 | 2.14% |
Free Speech TV |
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2 | 1.43% |
Project Censored |
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2 | 1.43% |
Media Matters |
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2 | 1.43% |
The Daily Howler |
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2 | 1.43% |
Adbusters |
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2 | 1.43% |
Center for Media and Democracy's PR Watch |
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2 | 1.43% |
Fox News |
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57 | 40.71% |
MSNBC |
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14 | 10.00% |
Local News |
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23 | 16.43% |
NPR |
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19 | 13.57% |
PBS News Hour |
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8 | 5.71% |
Institute for Public Accuracy |
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2 | 1.43% |
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10-24-2013, 07:06 AM | #23 |
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I still get all of my news from the onion. Today's breaking news:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/wei...is-nake,34304/ Last edited by Chihuahua; 10-24-2013 at 07:18 AM. |
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+1 AP/Reuters. I really don't see why news need to be anything but that. Editorial commentary is not news, it's opinion. Many a so called news group provides the latter under the auspices of the former. I feel that PBS Newshour also delivers good old fashioned news too and it's clear to the viewer when they are delivering opinion. That's OK by me too.
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I was actually an aspiring journalist just as the cable news phenomenon was taking the world by storm (turn of the millenia, abouts?) and I became so disenchanted with the distortion of fact that I quit and moved on to other, greener pastures. Smart move considering online news has essentially destroyed traditional print media and a news cycle that allowed us some measure of perspective instead of the be first, be controversial, then be accurate style of today's media. The only thing I watch on TV anymore is sports and car shows. No more news, debates, reality garbage etc. That tube is for zombie entertainment, not enlightenment. I tend to sift the wire and listen to NPR here and there...forgot about PBS NewsHour and my old BBC World updates from my time abroad... but overall, life is better when i use my own filter and dont bother with the garbage everyone is trying to serve me. Appreciate your perspective on this issue, Tony. Being in DC, you likely deal with more tail-wagging political BS then anyone. |
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I live in DC, and the politics are around me when I'm there, but I don't work in DC, so I it's not something I endure daily. Phil is a great study. It teaches one how to think critically and objectively and it teaches one how to write well. The latter is something rarely seen on the WWW, and the former is all but extinct. Re: political debate, you no doubt cannot stand what's put forth as political debate, even the Presidential ones. I can't tell you when I last saw anything even remotely on par with the points high school students offer in forensics competitions. Well, actually, I can. In a long ago political debate, Ron Paul was asked the following (or something to this effect): If you knew you were headed to a deserted island what one thing would you want to take with you? Candidate 1: some book or other Candidate 2: wife Candidate 3: matches Candidate 4: bible And on and on with stuff like that. Finally they get to Ron Paul: a boat. That was when I knew that if the could win the nomination, I would vote for that man. That was easily the most intelligent, practical, direct, and and sane thing I've heard in a political debate ever, before or since. All the best.
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The sad fact is that people today want to read and view news from their point of view, and with the middle being least vocal we get more from the more extreme ends, both left and right. Technically, the AP is a co-op, but it really hasn't been run that way for a long time. |
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Obligatory first post. Thought I'd waste it here. Tony, you may be interested in this. Old but still interesting: http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla...ucla-6664.aspx
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12-09-2013, 11:20 AM | #30 | |
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Looking at the methodology of the study, I wonder how the references to left or right leaning groups can accurately represent the liberality or conservativeness of a news story. For example, if the NAACP or the Heritage Foundation are cited as having said or done something, why would that make either of those organizations be anything more than the inspiration for the story? You'll recall the article described the study's methodology in part as: They tallied the number of times each media outlet referred to think tanks and policy groups, such as the left-leaning NAACP or the right-leaning Heritage Foundation.I have two objections with any news organization:
It's worth considering why a given source may have wanted to have a story reported. The facts of the story, however, are the same regardless of the reason for their being communicated. You and I have to decide whether the story is important to us. Lastly, one must wonder whether there is a positive correlation between where on gets one's news and to which editorial commentary one is most exposed. My gut tells me there is such a relationship, and based on that perception I can only say that it's emblematic of the way people "operate," for lack of a better description. It takes a great deal of "something" for folks to deliberately seek out well informed points of view that differ from their own. Obviously researchers and academics are used to doing so, but most folks aren't and don't. All the best.
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I am fascinated by this topic. A couple of clarifications and addtions
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I believe this is intended to address your observation. I took it as they only rated actual "News" shows as opposed to the endless commentary hours. Distinguishing the difference between Piers Morgan and the regular CNN news shows is extremely important although a constant barrage from one side or the other, with a break or two for actual News, is a problem by itself. I would suggest that MSNBC is at least as guilty as Fox of this despite your thoughts. My personal attempt at balancing my news is that I force myself to watch MSNBC when I travel (frequent). At home I flip between CNN and Fox. |
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Aside form sound bites presenting a biased viewpoint, I find it insulting for a news organization to presume that the audience doesn't need to know all the facts. Reporting news that way perniciously slants viewers' opinions and makes a new organization little more than a political megaphone for it's editors and owners. That sort of reporting demonstrates, IMO, a gross, not negligent for the folks involved are too intelligent for it to be just negligence, lack of integrity. Quote:
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Agree. Unfortunately, news organizations have applied the principles of marketing/industrial psychology and are more concerned with identifying a target "consumer," a target audience, and telling them what they are already predisposed to hear/think. That approach pretty well ensures a certain level of viewership and thus advertising revenue. It's pretty much going to be that way whenever a news organization must also be a revenue/profit center within the overall business entity in which it exists. Red: I think I get what you mean by "balance." If you mean that you watch several in order to collect as many facts as possible so you can draw your own conclusion, I agree with you. It shouldn't be that we viewers have to go to multiple sources to get a complete set of facts. Facts are facts and one'd think that any organization could report them as completely and accurately as possible. Observation/Commentary: I think too that part of the issue is the general public's desire to be led, to be told what to think. Occasionally, in threads on B-post and in other forums, I've seem members write "it hurts my brain" in reference to the idea that they are required to have to think cogently about a given topic. I have seen a similar reticence toward thinking in my father who was recently told his prostate cancer has reached the point where he needs to do something about it. We had meetings with several doctors -- oncologists, hormone therapy specialists, urologists, and an ultra-sound specialist in France. Each time, the doctors to us the pros and cons of their various treatments. After every meeting, my father wanted to use the approach that that doctor had indicated. He is very "old school" in that he thinks doctors tell patients what to do rather than the way I see doctors, which is that doctors tell patients what is possible and the patient chooses the course of treatment that best suits them. Dad thinks the doctors know what's best and he wants to be told what to do and how to consider the situation. I think many people are like that about most things. I'm like that on some things, but not most things. I'm like that because if I follow someone else on the basis of their expertise on a subject, I don't learn anything, but also, if they are wrong, I have to blame them. I prefer to succeed or fail on the basis of my own analysis and judgment. I have no desire to point my finger at somebody else and say it's their fault. All the best.
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To me, Aljazeera seems to be one of the few outlets that just reports the stories and that's it. That's one thing I don't seem to like about CNN and Fox News, that they report a story, and then throw their opinions in. Also, to me, they seem to place their emphasis on stories that aren't newsworthy (like Justin Beiber)
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I know I could do without any reporting on what motion picture, TV and music celebs do when they aren't performing. All the best.
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@Tony20009, we get it. You don't like FOX. Please find something else to complain about...
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??? Did I actually write that much about Fox one way or the other?
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Most news sources today are designed to appeal to a specific audience. MSNBC is designed to appeal to progressives/liberals. CBS is designed to appeal to people who think the powers that be are conspiring to bamboozle them. So they hire people of that bent, who know they are supposed to act according to their nature, and that conveying the news is secondary. Fox News is different. Not only is it designed to appeal to conservatives, Roger Ailes most important purpose is to win elections for conservatives. Commercial success is just a means to that end. So Fox News commentators are not just supposed to be conservative. They are supposed to adhere to the political "message", given to them in frequent meetings well documented in the recent book "The Loudest Voice in the Room". Most (there are exceptions like O'Reilly, whose audience gives him a certain independence) understand that their job not only depends on their ratings, but on how strongly they hammer home the specific message handed to them. The result is almost comic, John Stewart makes quite a meal of it. The reason some of us are dismayed about it is that the message seems to revolve around dividing Americans by focusing on "wedge" issues, and pushing candidates who are uncompromising "pure conservatives". As an electoral strategy this has worked well in local elections up to and including the US House, not well in national ones from the US Senate up. But, in terms of a functioning government and the overall good of America, it's quite harmful. What has always worked in American government is compromise, horse trading issues and details within issues. What doesn't work is what we have now. And Roger Ailes is responsible for much of it. Last edited by 128Convertibleguy; 04-16-2014 at 09:48 AM. |
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Some people watch FOX. Some don't. Some watch a combination of many news channels. I'm glad you have an opinion on which news channel you think is worthy of viewing and which isn't. Now just understand that other people have their own opinions on that issue... |
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