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      08-22-2013, 11:48 PM   #1
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Anyone ever run Hoosier R6 Tires on their M3?

Anyone ever run Hoosier R6 on their M3?

How do they compare in grip to NT01 or R-S3?
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      08-23-2013, 02:55 PM   #2
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Anyone ever run Hoosier R6 on their M3?

How do they compare in grip to NT01 or R-S3?
They are not even comparable. The R6 (and similar tires, such as BFG R1) has wayyy more grip than those two tires. R6's should be worth a solid 2 seconds a lap over those at a decent sized track all else being equal.

The best bang for your buck is always going to be used continental slicks. Pro teams run them a couple of hours and toss them for $400 a set or so. Similar compound to R6, but last a bit longer and are wayyy cheaper. Good luck!

Oh, and running true slicks on stock suspension is probably not a great idea. They will cord on the outsides quickly without -2.5+ camber.
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They are not even comparable. The R6 (and similar tires, such as BFG R1) has wayyy more grip than those two tires. R6's should be worth a solid 2 seconds a lap over those at a decent sized track all else being equal.

The best bang for your buck is always going to be used continental slicks. Pro teams run them a couple of hours and toss them for $400 a set or so. Similar compound to R6, but last a bit longer and are wayyy cheaper. Good luck!

Oh, and running true slicks on stock suspension is probably not a great idea. They will cord on the outsides quickly without -2.5+ camber.
Thanks for the advice here. Have you ran the NT01's or RS3's on an M3 before?
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      08-23-2013, 03:11 PM   #4
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I run RS3s today and love them. Better than the NT05s and PS2s I ran before.
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Thanks for the advice here. Have you ran the NT01's or RS3's on an M3 before?
I have ran most r compound and sticky street tires, including those. The conti slicks won't give you as much warning before losing grip as the RS3's, but they're the best bet if you're looking for more grip.
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I have ran most r compound and sticky street tires, including those. The conti slicks won't give you as much warning before losing grip as the RS3's, but they're the best bet if you're looking for more grip.
Hmm very odd. I guess everyone's mileage varies. I have ran through a few sets of the Continental slicks and they have much less grip than any of the RS3s and NT01 sets I have used.
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Hmm very odd. I guess everyone's mileage varies. I have ran through a few sets of the Continental slicks and they have much less grip than any of the RS3s and NT01 sets I have used.
Unless someone just gave you complete junked contis they should have way more grip. They need lower pressure; what did you run?
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Unless someone just gave you complete junked contis they should have way more grip. They need lower pressure; what did you run?
I tried various HOT PSI from 30-40. Some other guys that I've tracked with have also had similar thoughts on them as far as how grippy they were. I bought them all from the guy on here that sells them. Some of them actually looked almost like brand new when I got them.
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...and that is why I had originally asked you if you had actually ran the Contis on the M3 and also ran the NT01 or RS3s on the M3. Cus my opinion is about exact opposite of what you said.
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Suspension and settings (align etc.)?

They worked well with my KW CS at -2.7 camber and set to proper damper settings.

No offense, but it isn't really an opinion that a continental slick is grippier than a RS3 type tire. The compound is much softer and wears much faster. The only way the RS3 would be quicker is if the driver is not up to pushing true slicks, the temp is never high enough, or the align/susp is all messed up (for track use).

EDIT: and the R6 wear even faster than the contis and are an even softer compound.
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Suspension and settings (align etc.)?

They worked well with my KW CS at -2.7 camber and set to proper damper settings.

No offense, but it isn't really an opinion that a continental slick is grippier than a RS3 type tire. The compound is much softer and wears much faster. The only way the RS3 would be quicker is if the driver is not up to pushing true slicks, the temp is never high enough, or the align/susp is all messed up (for track use).

EDIT: and the R6 wear even faster than the contis and are an even softer compound.
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I love the RS3 on my 3400lb 330Ci.

On the E90 they were not nearly as good. They got greasy and would only last about 5k street miles and 4 track days...two of the attributes that I loved the RS3s for on my 330Ci were its heat tolerance and longevity. IMO...the RS3s don't like heavier cars.

You can run faster on R6s and conti scrubs but they don't last long either. You really have to manage the wear and rotate frequently. My experience has been VERY mixed with the scrubs. I think if you can get a consistent and known source then this route will work great. Buying from a guy who just hordes a bunch of old tires didn't seem to work for me.

IMO, the NT01 is the best all around COMPROMISE for cost and performance since I'm not willing to spend about $400-$500 for tires every weekend.
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      08-23-2013, 07:29 PM   #13
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Yeah NT01 and TD's seem like the stickiest and fastest tire I've experienced. I'm going to try out the R6's and see how they are.

On the Conti's I was running KW Clubsports, corner balanced, Camber(-3.2 F, -2.2 R), with various damper settings. They were slick as snot no matter what we tried compared to the NT01's
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On the Conti's I was running KW Clubsports, corner balanced, Camber(-3.2 F, -2.2 R), with various damper settings. They were slick as snot no matter what we tried compared to the NT01's
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Suspension and settings (align etc.)?

They worked well with my KW CS at -2.7 camber and set to proper damper settings.

No offense, but it isn't really an opinion that a continental slick is grippier than a RS3 type tire. The compound is much softer and wears much faster. The only way the RS3 would be quicker is if the driver is not up to pushing true slicks, the temp is never high enough, or the align/susp is all messed up (for track use).

EDIT: and the R6 wear even faster than the contis and are an even softer compound.
Its funny that you mention that because whenever I search user reviews for R-comps I tend to notice a lot of people calling a tire completely junk and that they have absolutely no grip. I give them a try anyways and they have pretty good grip. I think a lot of people just buy r-comps without running the proper camber and tire pressures.
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Its funny that you mention that because whenever I search user reviews for R-comps I tend to notice a lot of people calling a tire completely junk and that they have absolutely no grip. I give them a try anyways and they have pretty good grip. I think a lot of people just buy r-comps without running the proper camber and tire pressures.
I've seen pretty consistent impressions and issues with most R-Comps EXCEPT for the conti scrubs. In my own experience, there can be a HUGE variance in grip depending on if they are a matched set, were ran until they were heat cycled out, or used for 1 lap. When you get them from billy bob who collects them from various race teams and chucks them in the back of a big trailer...its like a crap shoot.

As far as wear...yeah, I've seen a lot of variance. I know two guys who corded a new R6 in 6 sessions.
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You really can't beat NT01s for grip consistency vs. life. They are also pretty structurally rigid, so camber issues are not as pronounced as other tires like the R6.

The ultimate issue with an R6 is that it drops to NT01 grip levels after just 4-5 really fast sessions (especially on a heavy car), and then become junk after another 7-10 cycles assuming they don't cord. In the first couple sessions they are good for 2% or so improvement, depending on the track. At TWS, they are worth about 2-3 seconds when fresh over NT01s. In my RS they are worth about 5 seconds over PSCs when fresh.

NT01 on the other hand will grip at about the same level until they cord. There is less squirm over time as the tread wears down, which makes them feel even better. NT01 can overheat more quickly than an R6. Overall it's a pretty killer tire for the fat E90.

BFG R1 seems to be pretty good so far. Close to R6 initial grip, but holds it for more heat cycles than the R6.

Net, if you want to win the DE cup at any cost, buy a new set of R6s for each DE event.
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You really can't beat NT01s for grip consistency vs. life. They are also pretty structurally rigid, so camber issues are not as pronounced as other tires like the R6.

The ultimate issue with an R6 is that it drops to NT01 grip levels after just 4-5 really fast sessions (especially on a heavy car), and then become junk after another 7-10 cycles assuming they don't cord. In the first couple sessions they are good for 2% or so improvement, depending on the track. At TWS, they are worth about 2-3 seconds when fresh over NT01s. In my RS they are worth about 5 seconds over PSCs when fresh.

NT01 on the other hand will grip at about the same level until they cord. There is less squirm over time as the tread wears down, which makes them feel even better. NT01 can overheat more quickly than an R6. Overall it's a pretty killer tire for the fat E90.

BFG R1 seems to be pretty good so far. Close to R6 initial grip, but holds it for more heat cycles than the R6.

Net, if you want to win the DE cup at any cost, buy a new set of R6s for each DE event.

Good post. To Radiant, I wasn't saying contis are junk. I was saying if the specific set OP ran had no grip, that set was junked before he got them. I always bought the tires straight from Bimmerworld or other teams and maybe I got lucky. But the true race tires NEED camber.
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You really can't beat NT01s for grip consistency vs. life. They are also pretty structurally rigid, so camber issues are not as pronounced as other tires like the R6.

The ultimate issue with an R6 is that it drops to NT01 grip levels after just 4-5 really fast sessions (especially on a heavy car), and then become junk after another 7-10 cycles assuming they don't cord. In the first couple sessions they are good for 2% or so improvement, depending on the track. At TWS, they are worth about 2-3 seconds when fresh over NT01s. In my RS they are worth about 5 seconds over PSCs when fresh.

NT01 on the other hand will grip at about the same level until they cord. There is less squirm over time as the tread wears down, which makes them feel even better. NT01 can overheat more quickly than an R6. Overall it's a pretty killer tire for the fat E90.

BFG R1 seems to be pretty good so far. Close to R6 initial grip, but holds it for more heat cycles than the R6.

Net, if you want to win the DE cup at any cost, buy a new set of R6s for each DE event.
Great post. I'm guessing the 12 contis I had were probably cycled out by the time I got my hands on them even know they looked new. Guess that is what happens when buying used race tires. Not going to ever do that again.
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You really can't beat NT01s for grip consistency vs. life. They are also pretty structurally rigid, so camber issues are not as pronounced as other tires like the R6.

The ultimate issue with an R6 is that it drops to NT01 grip levels after just 4-5 really fast sessions (especially on a heavy car), and then become junk after another 7-10 cycles assuming they don't cord. In the first couple sessions they are good for 2% or so improvement, depending on the track. At TWS, they are worth about 2-3 seconds when fresh over NT01s. In my RS they are worth about 5 seconds over PSCs when fresh.

NT01 on the other hand will grip at about the same level until they cord. There is less squirm over time as the tread wears down, which makes them feel even better. NT01 can overheat more quickly than an R6. Overall it's a pretty killer tire for the fat E90.

BFG R1 seems to be pretty good so far. Close to R6 initial grip, but holds it for more heat cycles than the R6.

Net, if you want to win the DE cup at any cost, buy a new set of R6s for each DE event.
Great post. I'm guessing the 12 contis I had were probably cycled out by the time I got my hands on them even know they looked new. Guess that is what happens when buying used race tires. Not going to ever do that again.
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I think the NT01s are more user friendly. I've been told that the key with the R6s to last longer is to not beat the living snot out of them for an entire session. You'll heat cycle them out pretty quickly. But to decide on where you really want to use that extra grip that the R6 gives you.

Which is why I use NT01s because I'd decide to use the extra grip on the entire course.
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On the Conti's I was running KW Clubsports, corner balanced, Camber(-3.2 F, -2.2 R), with various damper settings. They were slick as snot no matter what we tried compared to the NT01's
Yeah, I remember at Buttonwillow with them Contis, you saying "it's like I'm driving on ice."


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I think the NT01s are more user friendly. I've been told that the key with the R6s to last longer is to not beat the living snot out of them for an entire session. You'll heat cycle them out pretty quickly. But to decide on where you really want to use that extra grip that the R6 gives you.

Which is why I use NT01s because I'd decide to use the extra grip on the entire course.
Haven't tried R6 yet, but pretty much all other tires mentioned, and if you go balls to the wall on ALL laps of EVERY session, they all get heat cycled out quick, and get greasy.

My new mantra is 'tire management.' But, it's so fun driving hard throughout the sessions, let's see if I follow this new modus operandi, lulz.
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