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      09-08-2013, 03:19 PM   #89
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The perfect example of a car that isn't half a century old that holds value very well is the "last of the air cooled" 911 cars (993). A well taken care of 993 Turbo or even 993 Carrera S Widebody carries a serious premium these days. 40k-85k for a car from the mid-late 90's.

The only M3 that has ever appreciated in value significantly is the E30. The E36 has no chance and neither does a non CSL E46 IMO. (I know I am leaving out examples like the E36 LTW and E46 GTR etc because they are much rarer).

I think that the E9x will depreciate as any modern M car has. Don't ever see them actually going up in value unless you store one in a chamber for the next 70 years and go sell it at auction when you're 90 years old or dead. I reckon that the E9x will be remembered fondly as a very nice car, yet it probably won't be as desired in 16 years as the 993 is today. It's too cheap of a car to begin with for enough people to keep them in good working order to support any kind of a solid second hand market far in the future.

I also think that in the future...I mean 10+ years, the E9x will be more desired in 6MT. This tech simply does not advance or age at this point whereas I predict DCT will become a complete relic. Especially the way things are going, it will be harder to find any manual transmission sports car, let alone a gas guzzling high revving 8 cylinder.
Very well said.
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Honestly....did anyone on this forum buy an M as an "investment"? Drive the car, have fun with the car, love the car....but don't buy, hold, and/or sell the car like it's Apple stock. The E92 is a beast of a car and a ton of fun, but it's going to depreciate just like most cars do....
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With all of the questions/threads here as of late you can tell the price of the E9X is already plummeting.
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I think it is kind of funny how many people say they will never sell their E9x M3 and plan to keep it forever. I bet if you go back to these people five years from now, 75% will have sold theirs and moved on to something different.
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I think it is kind of funny how many people say they will never sell their E9x M3 and plan to keep it forever. I bet if you go back to these people five years from now, 75% will have sold theirs and moved on to something different.
+1 ......All of these people keeping their cars forever....

E46 ("last real M3") people were not able to sell their car at premium once E9x was released.....now that E9x is the last real M3 again, I am sure their values will continue to go up

Once the new M3/4 is out that is what everyone will want, including the current M3 owners. The market will be flooded with used M3s and the price will drop......period! No one cares who is keeping their car forever and etc.
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      09-09-2013, 05:29 AM   #94
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The F30/80 cars are big and remind me of my E39.
And that's the wrong direction for me.
I in fact will hold on to my E46 and E92 thanks very much and they will continue to look great (not trendy) ten years from now.
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Disclaimer: I'm totally in the camp that a car is a depreciating asset. However while purchasing track insurance and checking my current value, I noticed an anomoly on clearbook.com. While KBB and Edmunds had me at ~$52k, clearbook is showing ~$60 which is actually up from clearbook's price earlier this year.

I suspect clearbook is using actual recent purchase prices, while KBB etc are taking a more calculated approach. I also suspect there's a buzz around the car finishing production and people frantically buying, so from an investment perspective our stock is up! Who's selling on a high note before the new models tank us? (hint not me but now may be your time)
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+1 I Agree with above, if your concerned about the resell on your e9x m3 then now or soon is the time to sell, before the m3 hiatus is over and the M3/4 is available. Not me I have a 2013 on order and am thrilled that I will have one of the last ones off the line.
Sell? sure...one day before the 6 year extended warranty is up.
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      09-09-2013, 12:38 PM   #97
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I think over 20,000 were sold in North America, why would they suddenly become hard to find? Rather than suddenly disappearing they will gradually disappear, like all cars, as they are destroyed, scrapped, and age.

This will happen completely independently of any new cars that are released. Nothing will cause people to all of a sudden drive their e9x into the ground more quickly and at a higher rate.
I can't agree with you even more as I work at a scrap yard and see plenty crashed cars. Still look at the numbers, 20k e9x's compared to that of the e46 m3's 100k production numbers. Yes a clean low mileage good example e9x m3 will become somewhat hard to find and hold value much better then previous models and that will only hold more ground if you own one of 6700 sedans (not to be a fanboi hear lol but its true).You are missing the point as I did say the car was going to depreciate, just not like its brother e46. Once the new m4/m3 launch that will be a great time to buy an e9x m3. After the years go by Im not sure how much they will depreciate although like I said it should hold better then the previous models obviously voiding gods chariot the e30m3.

I don't think anybody purchased this car thinking its going to hold value or get good mpg.
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I can't agree with you even more as I work at a scrap yard and see plenty crashed cars. Still look at the numbers, 20k e9x's compared to that of the e46 m3's 100k production numbers. Yes a clean low mileage good example e9x m3 will become somewhat hard to find and hold value much better then previous models and that will only hold more ground if you own one of 6700 sedans (not to be a fanboi hear lol but its true).You are missing the point as I did say the car was going to depreciate, just not like its brother e46. Once the new m4/m3 launch that will be a great time to buy an e9x m3. After the years go by Im not sure how much they will depreciate although like I said it should hold better then the previous models obviously voiding gods chariot the e30m3.

I don't think anybody purchased this car thinking its going to hold value or get good mpg.
That is what I really wonder about. Obviously prices are going to depreciate and if you bought an M car and really care that much may be you cant really afford to be driving one? However thats not really what I care about - what I ultimately care about is there weren't many E90 V8 SEDANS being sold in the USA. What I wonder is will the new M3 (being available in 4DR/SEDAN ONLY) crush the resale value of the E90 V8's simply because "all M3's are SEDANS, if I want a 4 DOOR M3 I'll just buy the new one" - whether that is literally brand new, slightly used, or a few years down the road...

Can anyone else see what I am saying? Sure the E90 SEDAN M3 will become "more rare" but by the time the new M3 is released and the E90's last year being produced was 2011, its going to be "multiple years old" already. Who would really want a "old 4 door M3" when they can own a newer one?

Personally, I want this to happen because I would love to hop in a E90 SEDAN for a steal but I doubt it will. I want a stripped model and most people seemed to buy them for some practicality being a sedan I guess.

E90 Sedan > Speed Clothe > Sunroof DELETE > 6-Speed > Navigation

Thats all! ... Especially now that the 1M seems to be getting popular again - I would pick one of them up in a second but I dont want to pay a premium for a Mutt of a vehicle! Please G-D make the M2 45-50k and stripped like the 1M!
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Hell, I hope so. It will make getting spare parts easier, so I can track with no worries.
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      09-15-2013, 10:47 AM   #100
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Whatever happens to the price, it will certainly be tied to demand and supply.

The number of DCT equipped cars is greater than the number of MT equipped cars. If the demand for each version is equal, prices will drop practically in lockstep. If there is greater demand for one version than the other, the one in greater demand will drop more slowly.

At some point in the distant future, one version will start to become more desirable and its value will bottom and then begin to rise as a function of attrition over time. As the supply shrinks the value will rebound if demand exceeds supply, but that will be years; maybe as many as eight to ten years.

To me, I really don't care what happens. Maybe later I'll take an interest, but right now I'm simply enjoying this car very much.
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What are y'all talking about. The e9x M3 has the LAST and ONLY naturally aspirated V8 engine you can buy in an M3. The price is going to skyrocket when BMW stops making the V8 M3.
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What are y'all talking about. The e9x M3 has the LAST and ONLY naturally aspirated V8 engine you can buy in an M3. The price is going to skyrocket when BMW stops making the V8 M3.



what is your point? Nobody is going to care, the car is mass produced.


Buy a Black Series if you want something modern to hold it's value.

Before anyone says something slick, check the prices on the CLK Black.
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      09-15-2013, 07:12 PM   #103
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what is your point? Nobody is going to care, the car is mass produced.


Buy a Black Series if you want something modern to hold it's value.

Before anyone says something slick, check the prices on the CLK Black.
Mass produced? relative to what? Civics? 328's? what is YOUR point?

Since 2007, BMW produced only 66,000 M3's models total. That's a low number relative to any other mass produced vehicle.
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Honestly....did anyone on this forum buy an M as an "investment"? Drive the car, have fun with the car, love the car....but don't buy, hold, and/or sell the car like it's Apple stock. The E92 is a beast of a car and a ton of fun, but it's going to depreciate just like most cars do....
+100000000

Why worry about price of the car. All cars will depreciate so why worry about something one can't control not predict. What happens if M3 doesn't drop as much as one anticipates? But it back again? Just enjoy the car. I know I am
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Why worry about price of the car. All cars will depreciate so why worry about something one can't control not predict. What happens if M3 doesn't drop as much as one anticipates? But it back again? Just enjoy the car. I know I am
Agreed on enjoying the car! However, not all cars depreciate. Some examples are muscle cars from the 70's such as the Dodge Challenger, Road Runner, etc. Some of these cars are upward of $100,000 and these cars were MASS PRODUCED.
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Agreed on enjoying the car! However, not all cars depreciate. Some examples are muscle cars from the 70's such as the Dodge Challenger, Road Runner, etc. Some of these cars are upward of $100,000 and these cars were MASS PRODUCED.
Those are typically cars in mint condition with VERY low miles. I'm sure if you kept an M3 garaged with under 1,000 miles that in 30 years it would be considered a classic and be worth over $100k. But who wants to do that, I'd rather drive and enjoy it

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Agreed on enjoying the car! However, not all cars depreciate. Some examples are muscle cars from the 70's such as the Dodge Challenger, Road Runner, etc. Some of these cars are upward of $100,000 and these cars were MASS PRODUCED.
while you are correct, mass produced then was less than its today.

I mean shit they make like 100k camaros and mustangs a year now.

They make A LOT less M3s though
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I only buy cheap, ragged, high mileage M-cars. With littlebit of DIY most can still be enjoyed. With most I break even and with some I made money.

Now, I know all you are in love with your V8s and it is psychological, just like people fall love with their stocks.
It is funny because every time generations change, these topics come up and people think their generation is special. E36 was the first 6cyl, E46 first high revving, E92 first V8, F80 first turbo...etc etc. Truth is they all depreciate more or less the same. After much buying and selling I find that the sweet spot to buy previous gen M3/M5 is 2 yrs when new model rolls out, meaning the best time to buy used E9X M3 will be in 2016. That's the optimal timing to find a car that is almost fully depreciated, yet still has relatively low miles. It often coincides with LCI timing of new models.
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while you are correct, mass produced then was less than its today.

I mean shit they make like 100k camaros and mustangs a year now.

They make A LOT less M3s though
Mass produced back in the 70's was less, but it's not less than the M3 Production numbers today.

There were way more Dodge Challenger produces than e9x M3s. More than double.

Production numbers for Dodge Challenger:
1970 = 76,935
1971 = 26,299
1972 = 22,919
1973 = 27,930
1974 = 11,354
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Hell, I sure hope so. I have to pay the Commonwealth an annual tax on the car's current blue book value, and it's not a little bill.
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