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      07-16-2013, 11:54 AM   #1
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Nice try (kris.taylor.1981)

Just a quick note to warn people of doing any trades with this person.

I posted a looking to buy listing for some ACS wheels recently and was contacted by this person.

The red flag was then when i asked him to provide pictures of the actual wheels he sent pictures from this listing which is not his and would only accept bank transfer so i played him along a little to get his hopes up.

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=582099

Here seems to be another person he has tried this with before

http://modernvespa.com/forum/topic109133

Below is just how my conversation went with him for those interested otherwise no need to read.




WTB AC Schnitzer v Forged 20" Looking to buy the above alloys with or without tires. If you are looking to sell some then please email me at xxxxxxxxxxxxx

To see messages related to this one, group messages by conversation.
Jude Tobi (judetobi888@gmail.com)Add to contacts 10/07/2013

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Kindly let me know if you still need one as requested, I have it for
sale. Let me know and I'll get back to you.

Jude Tobi

Jude spares outlet
2, Via Castagneto
81049 Galluccio
Venice, Italy



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Yes I do so please let me know price shipped to UK postcode W2 and condition and size of front and back. Also if they come with tires and if so which and what condition


To: judetobi888@gmail.com

If you could also message me from the forum so I know your forum name that would be good (He never did)



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Thanks for the mail, I have in great shape asking for 3500euro
shipped , What is your address and cell, Bank Transfer Accepted.

Jude Tobi


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So those are the actual wheels. How long have you had them and how's by miles have they done. I had already seen the picture he sent me in the other FS listing by a UK memeber



Jude Tobi (judetobi888@gmail.com)Add to contacts 11/07/2013

Never Used before still in their normal condition. can we deal?


Jude Tobi



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Sorry but you are not answering all my questions and you can't expect me to buy something this expensive when you dont answer all the questions and your forum name.

What do you mean in their normal condition and never used, why not just say new. The picture you sent me looks like used one as i can see marks where the nuts go so how can they be never used.

Can u answer all my questions in last email.

Also what is your best price as I have seen these sell for 1600 which is 1900 euro.



Jude Tobi (judetobi888@gmail.com)Add to contacts 11/07/2013


Hello Matt

Thanks for the mail, Yes it has being fixed in a car but has not
being use for long time, the in which it was fixed in was use for just
2months and i can assure you 100% Alloys is still in Perfect work
shape.

I'll Accept 2200euro shipped, What is your complete shipping address
and cell for the postage.
Reply with your address and cell so that i can ring you.

Jude Tobi



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It is 1am now and family sleeping so I cannot talk.

So we have a deal on 2200 euro then?

Are you the first owner that purchased these new and only used 2 months or did you buy them used and if you bought used then hold long was it used by the other person.

Can you give me your PayPal email and I will send payment after you answer these questions.

Can you ship them tomorrow by express post then I can get them early next week.

Also do you have the tires for these to sell together.


Jude Tobi (judetobi888@gmail.com)Add to contacts 11/07/2013

Yes i purchase them new so you are the second user if you buy it, i
don't have tires for sale. 2200euro Accepted but i can't use PayPal
Account because mine is Dormant for long now. I'll only do Bank
Transfer as the mode of Payment, Once i receive your Transfer in My
Account I'll ship as soon as possible.

Get back to me as soon as possible with your complete shipping
address and cell so that i can email you my account Details for the
Transfer.

Jude Tobi


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Bank transfer is risky for someone I don't know.

If you want bank transfer I can only agree to pay half now and the other half after a get the wheels.

Do you have any close up picture of the wheel so I can see there is no damage. To see where he get a picture from this time


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He sends the other 2 pictures from the link above

Ok.. I can go with what you said by Paying half which is 1100euro, I
have attached a closer pic as you demanded, so what is your complete
shipping address and cell for the Postage. once i receive your details
I'll email you my Bank Details for the Transfer.



Jude Tobi (judetobi888@gmail.com)Add to contacts 11/07/20


Thanks for the mail, If payment can be made tomorrow morning to my
Account, Definitely I'll be shipping it on Monday on 2 working days
so you can get it Tuesday. Below is my Account Details:

His bank details have been edited out here

Once you are done with the Payment Tomorrow Kindly email to me the
Scanned Copy of the Transfer Slip for confirmation.



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Thanks i will call the bank in the morning.



Jude Tobi (judetobi888@gmail.com)Add to contacts 11/07/2013


Ok.. I'll waiting of you to let me know once payment is Done.



To: Jude Tobi

Payment of 1200 has been made,the bank said it can take 2-3 days to go in to your account i just got off the phone with them.uesdat

You should get the payment in your account by Tuesday so please send the wheels as soon as money is in your account and give me the tracking number.



Jude Tobi (judetobi888@gmail.com)Add to contacts 11/07/2013


Ok... i we let you know once i get money in my Account. You can imagine how happy he must be now

Thanks.


He tries his luck for more payments
Jude Tobi (judetobi888@gmail.com)Add to contacts 15/07/2013
Hello Matt!

How are you doing today, I have not yet receive the money but
hopefully i we get it from the Bank Tomorrow. I want to confirmed
from you if you still need the tires for the AC Schnitzer v Forged 20
as i have requested the tires from my friend here in Venice. The tires
is in perfect working condition for sale. My friend said that is
going to sale the tires for 990 euro. i want you to get back to me as
soon as possible so that i can send you picture to see condition.
After the Payment of the 990 euro then i we ship together with the
wheels.

Jude Tobi





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No, I have already ordered new tires.



Jude Tobi (judetobi888@gmail.com)Add to contacts 17:28


OK... I we let you know once i get money Tomorrow and i we proceed
with shipping and email you Tracking Number#



Now today

URGENT UPDATE‏

Jude Tobi (judetobi888@gmail.com)Add to contacts 10:40

HELLO MATT!

I JUST GOT OUT OF THE BANK NOW NOT LONG AGO. I CHECK ON MY
ACCOUNT BUT THE PAYEE SAID THE MONEY DID NOT ENTER MY ACCOUNT. I WANT
YOU TO CALL YOUR BANK THAT THE TRANSFER WAS MADE TO CHECK ON THE
TRANSFER IF THERE PROBLEM. IF YOU HAVE THE MONEY IN YOUR ACCOUNT , I
WE ADVICE THAT YOU USE ANY CLOSE MONEY TRANSFER AGENT TO TRANSFER
THROUGH WIRE TRANSFER WITH THE BELOW DETAILS.

SURNAME: PETER NAME: TOBI

ADDRESS: 2 VIA CASTAGNETO 81049
GALLUCCIO VENICE
ITALY

AMOUNT TO SEND: 1100EURO

EMAIL ME ALL THE DETAILS FOR THE TRANSFER AS SOON AS POSSIBLE ONCE YOU
ARE DONE WITH THE PAYMENT SO THAT I CAN SHIP ON EXPRESS ONCE I RECEIVE
YOUR PAYMENT.



Shall i send the money by western union now and make him go to the store to pick up

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      07-16-2013, 12:06 PM   #2
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Why don't you just call him out on the pictures and ask for new images?

If he can't provide them he's obviously lying. I have bought things before from people who were too lazy to go take their own images and instead sent someone elses images from an old post.

Not saying that's what going on here.. but its still kind of unresolved.

My only real indication that he's full of shit is how he dropped his price so quickly. You definitely strung him along though!
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      07-16-2013, 12:39 PM   #5
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Why don't you just call him out on the pictures and ask for new images?

If he can't provide them he's obviously lying. I have bought things before from people who were too lazy to go take their own images and instead sent someone elses images from an old post.

Not saying that's what going on here.. but its still kind of unresolved.

My only real indication that he's full of shit is how he dropped his price so quickly. You definitely strung him along though!
I thought a real seller would not have an issue providing their forum name the 2 times i asked them also.
Most people would also have paypal and would not only send something of this value with half payment first and would rather deal locally.

He also said the wheels were new and never used and that was until i pointed out the marks on the wheels that indicated they were used and at this point he says they were on the car for 2 months.

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I thought a real seller would not have an issue providing their forum name the 2 times i asked them also.
Most people would also have paypal and would not only send something of this value with half payment first and would rather deal locally.
Agreed on both counts. It would just solidify his lack of credibility if he was unable to provide real time images.

Besides his horrible English, that guy didn't seem like he was the sharpest tool in the shed.
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paypal is a smart way to go to prevent fraud. The seller has to prove that he shipped with signature confirmation. If shipment fails, and fraud is suspected, Paypal will go after the seller's account for money, often making a direct withdraw.

Just be careful as the scam GOES BOTH WAYS!

Often the seller is scammed with this process as well. The buyer refuses to take delivery with signature confirmation. So seller ships product otherwise, the product is delivered but the buyer makes a claim of fraud/no receipt. The seller can't prove shipping as he doesn't have signature confirmation. Paypal takes money out of seller account, buyer now has product AND a refund.
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I played along with a Nigerian scammer (posing as UK buyer) about 8 years ago with me selling a $4k mountain bike. The deal was that he would overpay me but I would wire some money back to him or some stupid shit like that but I would still get $2k more than my asking. It went as far as he sent a me a $14k cashier's check (fake) "from" a real Connecticut bank via FedEx worldwide... from Nigeria.

I thought it was hilarious that he must have spent about $100 to send this thing from Africa to WA. Two days later I get a translator phone call at 3am and via a telephone translator (just doing her job) he begs me for the money and eventually says he'll fk'ing kill me and my family if I don't send it. It was pretty funny and the translator was trying not to laugh. I wasn't worried, but yeah I called Secret Service at that point. Of course there's not much to do. I can't believe people fall for this stuff.
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That's about what you can expect from someone from Venice, Italy as it states in his signature.
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He must have been spending the money in his head thinking he had scammed 1100 euro out of you. Probably bought food and medicine for his whole village.
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I have bought things before from people who were too lazy to go take their own images and instead sent someone elses images from an old post.
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I played along with a Nigerian scammer (posing as UK buyer) about 8 years ago with me selling a $4k mountain bike. The deal was that he would overpay me but I would wire some money back to him or some stupid shit like that but I would still get $2k more than my asking. It went as far as he sent a me a $14k cashier's check (fake) "from" a real Connecticut bank via FedEx worldwide... from Nigeria.

I thought it was hilarious that he must have spent about $100 to send this thing from Africa to WA. Two days later I get a translator phone call at 3am and via a telephone translator (just doing her job) he begs me for the money and eventually says he'll fk'ing kill me and my family if I don't send it. It was pretty funny and the translator was trying not to laugh. I wasn't worried, but yeah I called Secret Service at that point. Of course there's not much to do. I can't believe people fall for this stuff.
Awesome I did it a while ago while in Iraq. Some Nigerian d-bag tried to do the same with a pair of rare sneakers I had that he wanted. Cost around 2400 nd the same shit the over pay thing. Can't believe people fall for this. I love watching on tv how people send money just like that without investigating first, and then realize their bank account is negative 10,000
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If you think you've conquered new grounds in frustrating back scammers just know you only just barely escaped his initial spin at you. If you want to see some real professionals bagging scammers back at their games. Some guys do that as a hobby and you would not imagine how far they can reverse play them. Examples.. One guy got his scammer to sculpt him a wood statue from a picture and ship it to him for free accross two continents. Then also had HIM sent money, etc.. took him for an amazing ride. Scammer was blinded by his greed.. eventually felt much humbled.
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If you think you've conquered new grounds in frustrating back scammers just know you only just barely escaped his initial spin at you. If you want to see some real professionals bagging scammers back at their games. Some guys do that as a hobby and you would not imagine how far they can reverse play them. Examples.. One guy got his scammer to sculpt him a wood statue from a picture and ship it to him for free accross two continents. Then also had HIM sent money, etc.. took him for an amazing ride. Scammer was blinded by his greed.. eventually felt much humbled.
I would be interested in learning more about this story!
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I would be interested in learning more about this story!
These situation happen closer to home sometimes.

I just bought a 2000$ gts v lip and the seller posts pictures that weren't his.

I received a lip that was damaged and repaired with a spray can.

Even thought his pictures show a new lip in box. Then he tells me EAS shipped it to him this way.

I open a paypal dispute to initiate a refund and he escalates it to a dispute to in his words ''protect himself''.

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=857498
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I would stay away from international transactions. If the deal is too good to be true. It usually is risky
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