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      09-25-2007, 11:41 AM   #23
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i saw this car in action followed by some turbo porsche on the 405 freeway in SoCal. This car pulls like crazy. it seemed to do 80-150 in like 2 seconds (seemed being a keyword).
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Actually, I was thinking in those dimensions as well. It's a twin turbo, so there is a lot room for engine tweaks. They could have tested a non-production version of the engine with significantly more power. I don't think that you need 700hp to achieve that kind of time though.

If you cannot control the weight, you must compensate with rubber and power.... Sorry, I can't see how a production version of the GTR can hit 7:35.... A Ring'er could but not a production car.

Looking at the CGT, originally pegged for Le Mans, that would blow away 911 GT2 / Vettes / Vipers / DB9s. So would the comparison be against the CGT or the GT2 type of cars? It feels alot more natural to me to compare the GTR against the GT2 class of cars...
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lucid: Sure we are all guessing and using a variety of sources including magazines, forums, etc. and those each take into account some history of the marquee and the GT models by Nissan. Where and when did we know the new M3 would be in the low 400s hp and about 3500-3600 lb? Well the obvious answer was right here! All the GT-R fans can not be that wrong at this point, can they?

When you look at the safety items required, the suspected price, the size and the 4WD system you can guess pretty darn well that sub 3300 lb is going to be incredibly unlikely. Even at this weight it really is going to need well into the 500s in hp, if not about 600, to play in the 7:30s club!

The numbers as we estimate and see them now are inconsistent, period. Something is special about this particular car (as T Bone stated) or one or more of the estimates (weight, power, price) is waaay off. You can't beat the physics!

OT... Agreed this is quite OT, but seeing the number of us watching this car and the number of replies the topic has I think it is OK to have it here and not in the "Other Cars Talk" section. JMHO.
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      09-25-2007, 11:57 AM   #26
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If you cannot control the weight, you must compensate with rubber and power.... Sorry, I can't see how a production version of the GTR can hit 7:35.... A Ring'er could but not a production car.
That's what I'm saying as well; it could have been a non-production engine setup. They wouldn't release such an engine setup in the production car due to reliability issues. Regardless, my thinking on this is speculation.
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lucid: Sure we are all guessing and using a veriety of sources including magazines, forums, etc. and those each take into account some history of the marquee and the GT models by Nissan. Where and when did we know the new M3 would be in the low 400s hp and about 3500-3600 lb? Well the obvious answer was right here! All the GT-R fans can not be that wrong at this point, can they?
Swamp, I was not disagreeing with anyone posting estimates. Merely checking to see if someone got a hold of information supplied by Nissan that I am not aware of. They are really close to releasing this car in Japan, and it is very likely that the official specs will be out soon.
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Swamp, I was not disagreeing with anyone posting estimates. Merely checking to see if someone got a hold of information supplied by Nissan that I am not aware of. They are really close to releasing this car in Japan, and it is very likely that the official specs will be out soon.
OK that is clear. I guess my reply was more based on your statement, "For all we know, this think might weigh 3300lbs and have 500hp+?". Which is quite contradictory to rough "accepted" estimates but at the same time MORE consistent with the quoted lap times. So I just pointed out how much we knew here, knew quite early and were pretty much dead on.
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OK that is clear. I guess my reply was more based on your statement, "For all we know, this think might weigh 3300lbs and have 500hp+?". Which is quite contradictory to rough "accepted" estimates but at the same time MORE consistent with the quoted lap times. So I just pointed out how much we knew here, knew quite early and were pretty much dead on.
Yep, I'm also saying that they could have extracted more than 500hp out of a non-production setup for testing purposes; that sounds possible to me with the twin turbos.
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i like to simplify things, maybe it's naiive, but if the N/A engine used produces 330-350 hp, adding a turbo will probably get it 30% more power if done efficiently and that will bump it to about 450-470 hp.
now as for weight, if Nissan is making the 350Z less than 3200 lbs in 09 to compete with Cayman, then i think the GT-R better be around that if not less.
just my thinking.. might be too naiive haha
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i like to simplify things, maybe it's naiive, but if the N/A engine used produces 330-350 hp, adding a turbo will probably get it 30% more power if done efficiently and that will bump it to about 450-470 hp.
now as for weight, if Nissan is making the 350Z less than 3200 lbs in 09 to compete with Cayman, then i think the GT-R better be around that if not less.
just my thinking.. might be too naiive haha

My friend with our widening butts, afinity for luxury and the demand for safety, 3000 pound cars are a thing of the 1980s.

To get to 3000 pounds or less will be super expensive in the future because we like donuts and air conditioning.
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My friend with our widening butts, afinity for luxury and the demand for safety, 3000 pound cars are a thing of the 1980s.

To get to 3000 pounds or less will be super expensive in the future because we like donuts and air conditioning.
LOL. so the car can be 1500 lb's but once the driver sits in it it becomes 3200 lbs?
im just speculating, obviously there is much more to it than my simplified way of thinking. but the numbers i got to should have been at least "goals" at least at some point of the GT-R project.
we'll see...
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I think too many people are thinking negative in Nissan's favor. Hey, if they say they may be able to pull these numbers, how bout we wait until the final verdict before we rip the GT-R apart.

"Well the GT-R is this".... "well it's not able to do that".
"The GT-R has to weight this.."

The GT-R will make it's official debut at the 2007 Tokyo Motor Show October 26th-Nov 11th.

Ah well, there will always be the pessimists and speculative behavior, so flame away.

It sure will be funny if Nissan does everything they're saying they will do with the final production model GT-R.

I'm not taking sides, just speculating like the rest.
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I think too many people are thinking negative in Nissan's favor. Hey, if they say they may be able to pull these numbers, how bout we wait until the final verdict before we rip the GT-R apart.

"Well the GT-R is this".... "well it's not able to do that".
"The GT-R has to weight this.."

The GT-R will make it's official debut at the 2007 Tokyo Motor Show October 26th-Nov 11th.

Ah well, there will always be the pessimists and speculative behavior, so flame away.

It sure will be funny if Nissan does everything they're saying they will do with the final production model GT-R.

I'm not taking sides, just speculating like the rest.
Forums are for speculation and giving facts. Since the facts are not here, all we have is speculation at this poiint. Just like you.
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Forums are for speculation and giving facts. Since the facts are not here, all we have is speculation at this poiint. Just like you.
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I think too many people are thinking negative in Nissan's favor. Hey, if they say they may be able to pull these numbers, how bout we wait until the final verdict before we rip the GT-R apart.

"Well the GT-R is this".... "well it's not able to do that".
"The GT-R has to weight this.."

The GT-R will make it's official debut at the 2007 Tokyo Motor Show October 26th-Nov 11th.

Ah well, there will always be the pessimists and speculative behavior, so flame away.

It sure will be funny if Nissan does everything they're saying they will do with the final production model GT-R.

I'm not taking sides, just speculating like the rest.
^^ boring! we want to PW
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My guess is that if this time is legit. It was achieved the 90K+ Vspec or whatever version that we probably wont ever see in the USA...

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http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=0&tID=10073

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/au...issan_gtr.html
Ok Lucid, this is where I saw the time of the GTR last week. And its not more than 450hp as I originally stated. It is 450hp. Also its actually a better time than the one listed above as well. They state 7.15 but unfortunately they don't give weight specs.

Hope this helps.
Thanks. Wow, the 7:15 number seems OT though...
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I think too many people are thinking negative in Nissan's favor. Hey, if they say they may be able to pull these numbers, how bout we wait until the final verdict before we rip the GT-R apart.

"Well the GT-R is this".... "well it's not able to do that".
"The GT-R has to weight this.."

The GT-R will make it's official debut at the 2007 Tokyo Motor Show October 26th-Nov 11th.

Ah well, there will always be the pessimists and speculative behavior, so flame away.

It sure will be funny if Nissan does everything they're saying they will do with the final production model GT-R.

I'm not taking sides, just speculating like the rest.
I think you have a point here. On the other thread, when someone posted a possible 8:03 number for the M3--which some might say is also too good to be true--most of us, including myself, seemed to be rather accepting of it. Now, there is a somewhat similar scenario for the GT-R, and the majority is doubtful. So, I guess maybe Ruff does have a point about all this...
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http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=0&tID=10073

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/au...issan_gtr.html
Ok Lucid, this is where I saw the time of the GTR last week. And its not more than 450hp as I originally stated. It is 450hp. Also its actually a better time than the one listed above as well. They state 7.15 but unfortunately they don't give weight specs.

Hope this helps.
7:15 ?!? The timer must be hallucinating
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It is uncertain whether or not the 997tt will get a facelift and/or any power upgrade. If, it does it will likely be no more than 15-20 hp. Remember, PAG will likely save some room for the S, which typically debutes as a last year of the MY run (The tt is only in it's second year.). Then there is the powerkit option which hasn't been released yet, which will likely yield 25-30 hp. Anything that PAG does, of course, can not cannibalize GT2 sales (530 hp).

I also read somewhere that the car would weigh at least 3600 lbs. and yield no more than 480 hp. I can't imagine either version of the GT-R weighing less than 3000 lbs.
This article may well interest you. It could be the powerkit or even the new Turbo S.

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/secret_...id=1061&page=1
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7:15 ?!? The timer must be hallucinating
7:15? I heard otherwise from a very reputable source. Here's the link:

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9070924....rest-shots-yet

The article states(prgrph 2/sntnc 3),

"Nissan reps would not divulge any specific lap times, but they hinted that something under 7:35 may have been achieved."

"Regardless, it's clear that Nissan's goal of overtaking the 911 Turbo has been achieved in a big way. "
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This article may well interest you. It could be the powerkit or even the new Turbo S.

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/secret_...id=1061&page=1
Thanks! I did already see it though. If it's the S, then it won't likely be out for a couple more years. It could be the facelift, but PAG may not give the turbo and GT3 facelfts as they will with the 997 and 997S. But, yes it could be PK w/fl.

I have "heard" that that the GT3 may be getting another 20 hp (435); albiet rumor.
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