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      07-09-2013, 11:15 PM   #375
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$15-$18K sees very reasonable to me, particularly if the kit addresses issues such as the stock fueling capacity.

Right now, the top dog S/C systems costs $13-$15K (including meth injection) before installation and make close to 600 RWHP. These kits are maxing out the stock fuel system. Without the parasitic losses of the S/C belt, the turbo system should be able to make more power at the same boost, all else being equal. And to be much more resistant to changes in DA. But to make more power, Gintani is going to have to address fueling so if this kit does that and can make 650-700 RWHP reliably without doing a motor build, then f*ck yeah it's worth it. The problem is knowing where the stock motor is going to give.

I'm not interested in staying with the M3 platform as I want to move to something that can handle in excess of 1,000 HP soon but if wanted to stay with the M3, this would be interesting. With the proper tuning, you could create customized boost profiles through the wastegate control to reproduce a linear powerband (similar to the centrifugals) by making boost increase linearly with RPM (a la the Procede). That way you don't "over torque" the car which results in a ton of wheel spin. There's so much you can do with proper tuning with a turbo.
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      07-10-2013, 02:45 PM   #376
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You guys sure are hyping up an engine that no one knows sh*t about.
Have you seen what a 335i can do with a turbo upgrade, even simple bolt-ons transforms this engine into a monster, I think it's safe to say that BMW will make sure that the new M3/M4 engine is even more capable!
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Except for the fact that twin turbo 335 w/single conversions are a different engine than the new M3/4 will be based on. That being said the N55 that it will be based off of will get some quality internal upgrades to overcome the pitfalls of the N55 in standard forum. Such as a forged crank and who knows what else. At this point everything is speculation
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      07-10-2013, 10:51 PM   #378
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Have you seen what a 335i can do with a turbo upgrade, even simple bolt-ons transforms this engine into a monster, I think it's safe to say that BMW will make sure that the new M3/M4 engine is even more capable!
N54 sure, N55 not so much. Upgraded twins putting down decent numbers. Nothing to write home. The singles are still somewhat of a mystery. Some nice glory numbers.

All I know is BMW has said they are going to make it more difficult in the future to tune their cars. And who knows how strong the internals will be for the M3/M4 powerplant. BMW lately has seem to be going cheap. It definitely won't have the potential of the a turbo V8.
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      07-10-2013, 10:53 PM   #379
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Except for the fact that twin turbo 335 w/single conversions are a different engine than the new M3/4 will be based on. That being said the N55 that it will be based off of will get some quality internal upgrades to overcome the pitfalls of the N55 in standard forum. Such as a forged crank and who knows what else. At this point everything is speculation
Yep, thats all I am saying. Way too early to claim potential HP/TQ figures.
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      07-10-2013, 10:54 PM   #380
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N54 sure, N55 not so much. Upgraded twins putting down decent numbers. Nothing to write home. The singles are still somewhat of a mystery. Some nice glory numbers.

All I know is BMW has said they are going to make it more difficult in the future to tune their cars. And who knows how strong the internals will be for the M3/M4 powerplant. BMW lately has seem to be going cheap. It definitely won't have the potential of the a turbo V8.

what? A properly forged bottom end in a straight six can make tons of power; and nothing stopping swapping out twins for a big single turbo (hence why BMW did it themselves). I've seen earlier twin cars that are now big singles making BIG numbers
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      07-10-2013, 10:57 PM   #381
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what? A properly forged bottom end in a straight six can make tons of power; and nothing stopping swapping out twins for a big single turbo (hence why BMW did it themselves). I've seen earlier twin cars that are now big singles making BIG numbers
Cool. Where you getting those specs from? Did BMW release some info about the new powerplant?
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Have you seen what a 335i can do with a turbo upgrade, even simple bolt-ons transforms this engine into a monster, I think it's safe to say that BMW will make sure that the new M3/M4 engine is even more capable!
N54 sure, N55 not so much. Upgraded twins putting down decent numbers. Nothing to write home. The singles are still somewhat of a mystery. Some nice glory numbers.

All I know is BMW has said they are going to make it more difficult in the future to tune their cars. And who knows how strong the internals will be for the M3/M4 powerplant. BMW lately has seem to be going cheap. It definitely won't have the potential of the a turbo V8.
I'm not convince BMW will try to make their cars less tuner friendly, what's the point, they know they gonna loose a lot of sales by doing so!?
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      07-11-2013, 06:17 PM   #383
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I've been gone from the site for almost a month and still nothing.




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      07-11-2013, 10:44 PM   #384
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      07-11-2013, 11:03 PM   #385
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Who will be the first to pull the trigger on this kit...?
The one with the biggest cojones
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I've been gone from the site for almost a month and still nothing.




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Thats my story too. Didnt miss much.
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      07-16-2013, 10:54 AM   #388
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They are never very well received by a lot of people on this site. Understandably the masses want more info but people are always taking shots at them so they probably don't feel any urgency to all of the sudden jump and rush to please people here. I've been a very satisfied customer for awhile now and these guys have always gone above and beyond. Every time I have been to their shop they are constantly swamped with cars and people coming in and out so I'm not surprised they don't update or post here often. Not saying that those people who actually drive to the shop are any more important than the online consumer but from my own personal experience they really do take the time and open up their shop to those customers there in person and make them feel "at home"
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They are never very well received by a lot of people on this site. Understandably the masses want more info but people are always taking shots at them so they probably don't feel any urgency to all of the sudden jump and rush to please people here. I've been a very satisfied customer for awhile now and these guys have always gone above and beyond. Every time I have been to their shop they are constantly swamped with cars and people coming in and out so I'm not surprised they don't update or post here often. Not saying that those people who actually drive to the shop are any more important than the online consumer but from my own personal experience they really do take the time and open up their shop to those customers there in person and make them feel "at home"
It is cause and effect, not the other way around. If a company is making big claims potential customers want info. If you don't deliver (on your own timetable no less) people will wonder how legit this all is.

I simply just don't understand how you can make an announcement like that, and share some crappy iPhone photos, give a ballpark price (fairly steep), and not follow up. WHo in their right mind will spend that kind of money on a kit like that?!
Fair enough man, but they haven't exactly been on here running their mouths or making "out-landish" claims over and over have they? Ive seen customers post more than anything else. And again it's very understandable that we all would like more info on here but if you had ever been to their shop (obviously I know you aren't local) they literally have something going on 24/7 and all of the workers there are always wrenching on something.
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They are never very well received by a lot of people on this site. Understandably the masses want more info but people are always taking shots at them so they probably don't feel any urgency to all of the sudden jump and rush to please people here. I've been a very satisfied customer for awhile now and these guys have always gone above and beyond. Every time I have been to their shop they are constantly swamped with cars and people coming in and out so I'm not surprised they don't update or post here often. Not saying that those people who actually drive to the shop are any more important than the online consumer but from my own personal experience they really do take the time and open up their shop to those customers there in person and make them feel "at home"
It is cause and effect, not the other way around. If a company is making big claims potential customers want info. If you don't deliver (on your own timetable no less) people will wonder how legit this all is.

I simply just don't understand how you can make an announcement like that, and share some crappy iPhone photos, give a ballpark price (fairly steep), and not follow up. WHo in their right mind will spend that kind of money on a kit like that?!
+1 a serious kit should be handled more professionally
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Gintani has ALWAYS came through for me , whether its quality of customer service or the quality of their products. Lack of pics or charts doesnt mean shit, theyre going on their own time. I dont see anyone else talking about a tt kit for e9x m3. If this releases before the M4 and I got a little change in my pocket im definitely going to TT my bitch!!
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I kind of understand both sides. When max psi came out with their e46 m3 teaser, they didnt release their kit for almost two years.. The wait wasnt that bad for me because i was kept in the loop the whole time since they had my car. But since the teaser, they went through a couple revisions which slowed things down so i could understand why things havent been delivered by gintani yet.

But i dont understand a teaser when you know things are not 100%. We were promised a video and more info with in two weeks, and possible release within 2 months. All we got was ballpark pricing which is what i really cared for anyway. Teasers can make you look bad when you dont deliver. The car was running for six months. A revving video or a simple run down the block would have satisfied everyones thirst. Now they have some potential customers looking in other directions.
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Really? Man, I'm in the wrong business then.
Seriously! How can it not matter?

And in the original post, it says that the shop car has been running this setup for half a year too.
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+1 a serious kit should be handled more professionally
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Really? Man, I'm in the wrong business then.
In due time my impatient friend. I was simply saying that just because there is a lack of pics for now doesnt mean there is nothing coming. Should be obvious.
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so who wants an $18k grenade? lol.
I'm sure that's what everyone said when s/c's first came out, too
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