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      06-21-2013, 12:33 PM   #309
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So...queue the JB4 crowd saying 'i told you so'.

Interesting to see all the love for FI, particularly for a turbo set up, from the S65 community.

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Personally, I'm interested in seeing how this plays out, but I have no interest in doing this to my car (even if the costs weren't going to be astronomical). Still love to see what kind of numbers this setup is going to pull though.
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      06-21-2013, 01:32 PM   #310
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Hate to be that guy but there is just something about a big turbo spool folded by a bov going off that kinda gets me going. Couldn't imagine that coupled with a v8!

As far as open dump if the go with the new Borg Eli's I believe there is no open dump. I can't stand an open dump, I routed mine back into the dp.
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      06-21-2013, 09:48 PM   #311
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2 weeks are up... where is the promised video?
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Any videos, patiently waiting!

Yes videos or some type of update...Ballpark numbers will be nice
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      06-21-2013, 10:01 PM   #312
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The new M3/M4 will be fast with a tune. It will be nice to see the outgoing M3 with some more push.
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      06-22-2013, 07:17 AM   #315
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Whats may be possible on the top end is very different from what most of us would likely want in our cars out on the road. You can look at TT numbers from Corvette which has a fair number of TTs on the road to get an idea of what kind of numbers might be more realistic. As you consider those numbers keep in mind that the LS engine family is more boost friendly than what we have under our hoods. Also remember that the power levels some are mentioning would require significant drivetrain modification the parts for which are not exactly on the shelf.

Not trying to rain on anyones parade here, just trying to be realistic.
But you have to realize you are talking about an engine that is not high reving... So you cant really compare the 2.. The whole point is a high reving (8k) turbo v8.. The main point is to bring the torque which the e92 is lacking. Even if the harrop supercharger brings the torque up. Ill be happy with that.
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      06-22-2013, 09:41 AM   #316
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Personally I hope it uses the new really efficient Borg Warner EFR turbos. They are so efficient and ahead of the curve it's imaging! Perhaps a twin scroll if it will fit
The turbos in OP pic look like HTA units. BW makes decent turbos at relatively cheap prices, but they are too big compared to others with similar specs and we have serious space issue.
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Very good point! And honestly even if it could handle it is personally probably only run max 12-15lbs and look for numbers under 1000 closer to 800's
12-15 psi on stock internals?!! I'm thinking more like 1-2 psi less than what centrifugals push to the engines. Turbos take it harder on internals than centris. If we are talking about built engines, then the sky is the limit. Add sleeves and just raise boost. 1000 isn't out of reach with a built engine and turbos with enough CFM. Gintani stage 3 made like 750whp or something at 7000-ish RPM with the super big YSI and YSI's waste a LOT of output to spin themselves.
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As far as open dump if the go with the new Borg Eli's I believe there is no open dump. I can't stand an open dump, I routed mine back into the dp.
Agreed. Open dump + BOV = Way too Fast and Furious-ish.
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But you have to realize you are talking about an engine that is not high reving... So you cant really compare the 2.. The whole point is a high reving (8k) turbo v8.. The main point is to bring the torque which the e92 is lacking. Even if the harrop supercharger brings the torque up. Ill be happy with that.
The factory tq numbers are acceptable with the E9X M3. Being a V8 I would expect more but it is what it is.

If you want to talk about lacking numbers in reality look at the Honda S2000 and Honda NSX. Both very weak and always have been in the high revving 4 banger and 6. I am a former owner of multiple ones. Without a doubt in stock fashion they are lacking, not so much here.

We saw dynoed S2000s with 195 hp and 131 ft pounds of torque in a 2900 pound car. Closer to 3000 pounds with a hardtop and bodykit which so many kids run these days. The NSX we saw pre 1997 - 220-240hp 170-190 ft/lbs
post 1997 - 240-260hp 180-200 ft/lbs.

I still am a fan of both but just saying.
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The factory tq numbers are acceptable with the E9X M3. Being a V8 I would expect more but it is what it is.

If you want to talk about lacking numbers in reality look at the Honda S2000 and Honda NSX. Both very weak and always have been in the high revving 4 banger and 6. I am a former owner of multiple ones. Without a doubt in stock fashion they are lacking, not so much here.

We saw dynoed S2000s with 195 hp and 131 ft pounds of torque in a 2900 pound car. Closer to 3000 pounds with a hardtop and bodykit which so many kids run these days. The NSX we saw pre 1997 - 220-240hp 170-190 ft/lbs
post 1997 - 240-260hp 180-200 ft/lbs.

I still am a fan of both but just saying.

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      06-22-2013, 12:03 PM   #319
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The factory tq numbers are acceptable with the E9X M3. Being a V8 I would expect more but it is what it is.

If you want to talk about lacking numbers in reality look at the Honda S2000 and Honda NSX. Both very weak and always have been in the high revving 4 banger and 6. I am a former owner of multiple ones. Without a doubt in stock fashion they are lacking, not so much here.

We saw dynoed S2000s with 195 hp and 131 ft pounds of torque in a 2900 pound car. Closer to 3000 pounds with a hardtop and bodykit which so many kids run these days. The NSX we saw pre 1997 - 220-240hp 170-190 ft/lbs
post 1997 - 240-260hp 180-200 ft/lbs.

I still am a fan of both but just saying.

And a turbo kind of fixes all...still low tq numbers however after boost


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      06-22-2013, 01:54 PM   #320
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But you have to realize you are talking about an engine that is not high reving... So you cant really compare the 2.. The whole point is a high reving (8k) turbo v8.. The main point is to bring the torque which the e92 is lacking. Even if the harrop supercharger brings the torque up. Ill be happy with that.
Like everyone else here I own the car and understand its weaknesses as well as the joys that come from the unique character of a higher rpm V8 engine. I also understand that the improved torque down low is going to be a major attraction for any TT kit.

And yes, the engines are quite different in their layout and design philosophy but that isn't what I was referring to insofar as comparing. I'm talking about making a reasoned guess as to what kind of power levels may be possible in a kit sold to the general public in the real world. A different thing than something someone keeps together long enough to make an airstrip run before it explodes. While the number for the latter may very well be 1000 or more hp the number for the former will be much lower.

This is what I mean about realistic. The numbers that are produced in every single kit for Corvette is far below what TTs could produce and do produce in the cars that people build for airport runs and such. Few of the latter however are done because of the expense and because there is no way to hold the car together at the glory numbers for long out in the day to day.

I'm not certain if the big numbers were mentioned in reference to what may be possible or actual hopes of it being available in a kit that these folks are going to sell. This is what I meant about not raining on parades. I find the big numbers as cool as the next guy and I'm interested in them myself.
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Sorry we have no video for you guys yet. A few things got delayed. We want to put out a video just as much as you want to see it. But we have decided we want to have the production pieces on the vehicle before we run it again.

For now, here is a photo of our manifold getting ready for casting at the foundry.

We should be getting our first manifold within the next 10 days.


Please note: we are also have underway 2 other big projects that has been taking up a lot of our time as well, even though our E9x twin turbo kit is priorty over all others.

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      06-25-2013, 08:36 PM   #326
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And a turbo kind of fixes all...still low tq numbers however after boost


That's at the flywheel...thats weak sauce!
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      06-26-2013, 05:39 AM   #327
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Sorry we have no video for you guys yet. A few things got delayed. We want to put out a video just as much as you want to see it. But we have decided we want to have the production pieces on the vehicle before we run it again.

For now, here is a photo of our manifold getting ready for casting at the foundry.

We should be getting our first manifold within the next 10 days.


Please note: we are also have underway 2 other big projects that has been taking up a lot of our time as well, even though our E9x twin turbo kit is priorty over all others.

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Not that much concerned about videos.. Mainly concerned about ballpark prices.. Trying to financially plan and also sell my turbo e46 m3 so i can buy a e92 m3. If its not in my price range, i dont want to get my hopes up
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      06-26-2013, 06:59 AM   #328
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That's at the flywheel...thats weak sauce!

Nah whp but your right for a boosted s2k it is actually VERY low, however I have 50K+ miles on the setup and haven't had any issues! Plus it is still faster then a lot if not most sports bikes
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