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      06-03-2013, 12:09 PM   #45
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Ill post it one more time S85 V10 Complete, Smoken Deal i believe. Looks like they have a crap load of um!

Did you buy it yet?=
http://www.ebay.com/itm/330933170888...84.m1423.l2649

Yet?
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Same as the weight difference between a supercharger and no supercharger
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Not at all comparable to two NA engines of different displacement and configurations.

As others have mentioned a stroker s65 is the way to go. The larger size and weight of the s85 will take away from the handling and it also does not have the same rev capability.
Not the same rev capability? What? 8250 rpm isn't exactly a Yugo engine. And as I mentioned earlier, about a 30kg difference.
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Go stroked S65 ;-)
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Now im deciding whether to get another s65 engine or pay some more for the s85 v10 swap.
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V10 would be sweet for sure, i just wonder about the engines extra lenght, i mean with the V8 the engines very close to the front i dont see the extra room needed.
Heres some Cores for yah, check um out=

http://www.ebay.com/itm/E90-E92-E93-...960cb9&vxp=mtr

This ones not to far from you=

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-M3-E90-E...5e62cd&vxp=mtr

Check out this deal i found on a S85 V10, its not far from me, SMOKEN DEAL!!!!!=

http://www.ebay.com/itm/330933170888...84.m1423.l2649
i looked at all three of these three days ago! I contacted tony for the s85 conversion he told me they have done about 8 so far world wide. Im really thinking of doing this since i have a six speed. But ecu is the challenge
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      06-03-2013, 10:30 PM   #52
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S85 + supercharger
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      06-03-2013, 11:02 PM   #53
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i have contacted tony. I found out that it is true. You can connect both engines to the e90 six speed. This made things easier for me. Im thinking if engines are about the same but needing some more fabrication and labor time, I would do the swap. I cant do the stroker on my current engine, seems the oil pump failed because it looked like no oil went to my engine.

This happened the day I came back from mfest in Las Vegas. I drove 80-85 the entire way. When I opened my engine I saw my crankshaft fused or melted to the block that cause shavings to go through the entire engine.
This is all sad news as I only had the car for a little over a year. Bought it from someone off this forum in San Deigo.
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i have contacted tony. I found out that it is true. You can connect both engines to the e90 six speed. This made things easier for me. Im thinking if engines are about the same but needing some more fabrication and labor time, I would do the swap. I cant do the stroker on my current engine, seems the oil pump failed because it looked like no oil went to my engine.

This happened the day I came back from mfest in Las Vegas. I drove 80-85 the entire way. When I opened my engine I saw my crankshaft fused or melted to the block that cause shavings to go through the entire engine.
This is all sad news as I only had the car for a little over a year. Bought it from someone off this forum in San Deigo.
what do you mean no oil? Was there a leak or puncture of the oil pan that caused oil loss? Was it just underfilled? I hope you measured the oil volume remaining before you opened up the engine. And did you get any warning about low oil before the engine went kaputz?
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      06-03-2013, 11:52 PM   #55
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I cant do the stroker on my current engine, seems the oil pump failed because it looked like no oil went to my engine.
So why would that prevent you from boring and stroking the motor.
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If the crank is seized to the block the mains are likely unsalvageable
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If the crank is seized to the block the mains are likely unsalvageable
i am currently opening the engine to see if i can still save it. Maybe I can plan to save this engine as a back up and build it. but i really like the unique v10 idea
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Yes they have the same bell housing. Cool that the electronics are the same. Wiring up an ECU from scratch is something to i'd do only if i had to. I have wire phoebia! In good old days the only wires you had to deal with were the spark plug wires. Now every god damn component you spot has houndreds of wires.
I wouldn't want you to get the wrong idea about the electronics are the same. We require different data log configurations for our track cars on E92 M3 and E60 M5. We data log directly from the CAN bus. The MSS65 and MSS60 CAN bus data is very different and I am safe to say they are not compatible with each other.

That means anybody who wants to put an S85 into an E92 would need to create a bridge between the two and translate MSS65 CAN traffic to E92 chassis and visa versa. Making matters more complicated, many CAN messages used by the E92 chassis aren't output by the MSS65, and the ones that are common don't appear at the same CAN address and in some cases don't have the same format either.

I hope this helps, wouldn't want you to get into a project only to discover it won't work like you thought.
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i am currently opening the engine to see if i can still save it. Maybe I can plan to save this engine as a back up and build it. but i really like the unique v10 idea
so what caused the failure in the first place? finding that out i believe is quite important to know if there are any design flaws in the engine or its components that caused this oil starvation.
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I wouldn't want you to get the wrong idea about the electronics are the same. We require different data log configurations for our track cars on E92 M3 and E60 M5. We data log directly from the CAN bus. The MSS65 and MSS60 CAN bus data is very different and I am safe to say they are not compatible with each other.

That means anybody who wants to put an S85 into an E92 would need to create a bridge between the two and translate MSS65 CAN traffic to E92 chassis and visa versa. Making matters more complicated, many CAN messages used by the E92 chassis aren't output by the MSS65, and the ones that are common don't appear at the same CAN address and in some cases don't have the same format either.

I hope this helps, wouldn't want you to get into a project only to discover it won't work like you thought.
This was touched on earlier. The CAN signals may have different ID's due to slight architecture differences and things like DCT vs 6 MT, but MOST of the wiring is the same in the car (IAT, fuel pump, injectors, etc, etc..). He simply has to use an MSS65 DME. It's more or less plug and play, it will require a few changes/additions for the addition of two cylinders. Ideally the engine harness from an S85 should be used. Running the S85 on an MSS60 DME would be more trouble than it's worth.
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Ok so im thinking now to do the v10 conversion. SO WHO'S WITH ME??
I will post a thread of the whole process

thanks to Troy from JEUP LLC.
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It sure is significant, ask those who got a tune and have a 200 RPM increased rev limit. On the track the longer you can stay in gear the more advantage you will have

The weight is even more significant as it will make the nose heavy and take away from the handling.

Anything you hope to get out of the s85 can be accomplished with a stroked s65. Except for the bragging rights of saying you got a v10
The S65 is a very good sounding engine, but the V10 is straight up exotic. something the S65 cant REALLY touch... so thats something else
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Ok so im thinking now to do the v10 conversion. SO WHO'S WITH ME??
I will post a thread of the whole process.
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Hmmmmmmmmmm....what about the S63?

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Ok so im thinking now to do the v10 conversion. SO WHO'S WITH ME??
I will post a thread of the whole process

thanks to Troy from JEUP LLC.
I thought about doing this but I figured the cost to install/ troubleshoot it would be too much compared to just replacing it. I found a used s65 short block with low miles for 4k.

If it's not your only car I would be patient and something will pop up
If anything you can get a new short block from BMW for 15k (getbmwparts.com)
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My god that motor just looks so sexy in there.

I'm now having crazy thoughts of doing this myself and putting the S65 in my 7 series...
and then what? put the 7-series motor in a Mini?!?! where does the maddness end?!
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