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      08-16-2013, 11:55 AM   #23
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All this talk is bs. These lowering springs all ride like that and all ride and handle worse than stock.
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      08-16-2013, 11:57 AM   #24
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All this talk is bs. These lowering springs all ride like that and all ride and handle worse than stock.
Yea... Stock it is!
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      08-19-2013, 09:01 AM   #25
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No, I got KW and I fucking hate them. The rear spring perches are metal on metal so any road noise is transferred into the trunk area and causes this rumbling sound. It happens on almost every residential road I roll on too.

I thought perhaps I had something loose, but checked it three times until someone else with the kit mentioned he hears the same thing. The rear perch needs a rubber gasket or something (stock and some higher end coils have the rubber gasket) to absorb some of that road noise.

Anyways, mine are coming off this tuesday. Im in the air over getting B&G or not. While my car looked awesome, bumps on the road sling shotted me out of my seat and he car upward way to fast. I felt unsafe at high speeds with dips in the road.

For example, we have a freeway on ramp that has a bump in the middle of the apex. With my stock suspension my car absorbed it and moved on with confidence. With the KW, my car cornered well, but once it hit a bump, my car would ROCKET upward and throw the cars ballanace out of whack to the point I felt like I was going to loose control. And this is with a .5" DROP!

So I might just go back to stock and be happy. I remember when the M3 had perfect fender gap compared to cars with 6" of wheel gap. So Im just going to go back to stock and be humble with a proper suspension setup.
Glad nothing actually happened that caused you to loose control. I'm more than happy with my stock set up I just considered B&G or Swift R-Spec because of the 1"-.5" height reduction and near stock ride. Thanks for the honest review and hope your car gets sorted out soon.
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      08-19-2013, 12:38 PM   #26
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Glad nothing actually happened that caused you to loose control. I'm more than happy with my stock set up I just considered B&G or Swift R-Spec because of the 1"-.5" height reduction and near stock ride. Thanks for the honest review and hope your car gets sorted out soon.
Thanks bro.

Dont get me wrong guys... For the most part they do ride smoothly. But the added road noise, less than distinct EDC changes and high speed rebound you to the freaking moon Im not cool with.

If you don't care about added cabin noise, EDC use and live in a state where every road is flat as can be, then and only then would I recommend these.
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      08-19-2013, 12:45 PM   #27
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No, I got KW and I fucking hate them. The rear spring perches are metal on metal so any road noise is transferred into the trunk area and causes this rumbling sound. It happens on almost every residential road I roll on too.

I thought perhaps I had something loose, but checked it three times until someone else with the kit mentioned he hears the same thing. The rear perch needs a rubber gasket or something (stock and some higher end coils have the rubber gasket) to absorb some of that road noise.

Anyways, mine are coming off this tuesday. Im in the air over getting B&G or not. While my car looked awesome, bumps on the road sling shotted me out of my seat and he car upward way to fast. I felt unsafe at high speeds with dips in the road.

For example, we have a freeway on ramp that has a bump in the middle of the apex. With my stock suspension my car absorbed it and moved on with confidence. With the KW, my car cornered well, but once it hit a bump, my car would ROCKET upward and throw the cars ballanace out of whack to the point I felt like I was going to loose control. And this is with a .5" DROP!

So I might just go back to stock and be happy. I remember when the M3 had perfect fender gap compared to cars with 6" of wheel gap. So Im just going to go back to stock and be humble with a proper suspension setup.
Maybe try to Swift Spec-R's. I heard nothing but good reviews about them. If it helps, I'm installing mine this week, and I can give you some feedback.
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Maybe try to Swift Spec-R's. I heard nothing but good reviews about them. If it helps, I'm installing mine this week, and I can give you some feedback.
I hope your experience is different

However, the swift springs are no different than any other spring that lowers over .4-.5 inches. The same deficiencies remain. The same reasons why the car will ride and handle worse are the same.

It's due to the drop and how it affects the large reduction in available suspension travel, modified suspension geometry, and to a lesser degree unmatched spring rates to the oem dampers.

Zcp / dinan drop is all you can manage without notable deficiencies in handling and ride.
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      08-19-2013, 01:13 PM   #29
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I hope your experience is different

However, the swift springs are no different than any other spring that lowers over .4-.5 inches. The same deficiencies remain. The same reasons why the car will ride and handle worse are the same.

It's due to the drop and how it affects the large reduction in available suspension travel, modified suspension geometry, and to a lesser degree unmatched spring rates to the oem dampers.

Zcp / dinan drop is all you can manage without notable deficiencies in handling and ride.
E36 bump stops help retain a good bit of the suspension travel. I'm sure Dinan is not the only company that can provide a mild drop and retain most factory handling and ride characteristics. Eibach is another reputable brand that comes to mind but I do agree once the drop is too far you need shocks and other components to match the springs.
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What about the Dinan setup for the stock EDC suspension? Good? I don't want to have the same issues the OP is having with stability issues.
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      08-19-2013, 01:30 PM   #31
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What about the Dinan setup for the stock EDC suspension? Good? I don't want to have the same issues the OP is having with stability issues.
I highly doubt Dinan will have that issue, far more reputable and dealer affiliated. You pay for what you get in a sense
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      08-19-2013, 01:55 PM   #32
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The reason dinan rides better / closer to oem (a la zcp) is because A ) the drop is .4 inches over stock and B ) they provide shaved guide mounts and less importantly shorter bump stops that work together to prevent excessive loss of suspension travel

Those are the big differences between dinan and everyone else. Mostly due to the amount of drop.
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      08-19-2013, 06:52 PM   #33
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I like my stock suspension better than Dinan Stage 1. I've noticed in some high speed turns with dips and uneven surfaces, the stock suspension has better composure than my previous Dinan suspensions. I think the stock springs and dampers are just a better match.
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      08-19-2013, 06:57 PM   #34
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I have had B&G's on for about 6 months. I love them. Wife had no idea I lowered the car as the ride is truly like stock. Gives me the look and ride I wanted. Then again my car is a DD and not on the track.

Hope that helps.
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Are B&G similar to H&R Sport Springs? I'm having some issues with my Ground Control Sleeves... they are terrible and the Houston streets are unforgiving... I'm not sure what happened over the weekend but my end link sway bar deal broke off.. I have a shop checking right now if they have lifetime warranties with them or not.

I'm sitting here debating if I should go back to stock or throw on H&R Sports...
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Are B&G similar to H&R Sport Springs? I'm having some issues with my Ground Control Sleeves... they are terrible and the Houston streets are unforgiving... I'm not sure what happened over the weekend but my end link sway bar deal broke off.. I have a shop checking right now if they have lifetime warranties with them or not.

I'm sitting here debating if I should go back to stock or throw on H&R Sports...
you should go back to dinan or stock. I had eibach on a prior m3 and the ride sucked on those too. HR is lower and will be even worse.
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      08-26-2013, 03:46 PM   #37
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way to throw away millions of dollars into R&D to "look good"
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Thanks bro.

Dont get me wrong guys... For the most part they do ride smoothly. But the added road noise, less than distinct EDC changes and high speed rebound you to the freaking moon Im not cool with.

If you don't care about added cabin noise, EDC use and live in a state where every road is flat as can be, then and only then would I recommend these.
Did you leave the bump stops alone, cut them down, or put E36 ones in?
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They come with there own shortened bump stops. So I used those.
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Ohlins rt, kw cs, jrz pro, tckline sa/da, kw v3 there are a bunch of better and proper ways to do this.
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