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      09-17-2007, 04:46 PM   #1
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Top Gear: Sadly for the others, the M3 exists. Damn you, BMW

In the October issue of Top Gear Magazine the new M3 is taken to the Isle of Man along with the following driverís cars:

Audi R8
Ariel Atom
Caparo T1
Renault Megane R26
Ford GT
Jaguar XKR
Aston Martin Vantage
Lamborghini Murcielago LP640
Ferrari 599
Porsche 911 GT3.

Pretty stiff competition and the different reporters have varied views of the cars.

Sorry, I have no scans and there's not much in terms of performance figures besides the usual but hereís some words on the M3:

Matt Master: What needs highlighting is just how real-world this car is. Everything else we took to the Isle of Man was in some significant way flawed, even Jeremyís beloved R8 that neither Bill nor I could change gear in comfortably because the clutch travel is hampered. But the BMW is perfect in every respect. Good looking and respectable with the Wanker Factor set low, easily the most usable with four seats, big boot and comfortable ride, and, of course, at any given time or place, astonishingly fast.

Paul Horrell: Yes, the Jag is a mighty GT. And when I was following it in the GT3, the Porsche couldnít reel it in on a straight. Thatís proper all-round talent, though naturally not as rounded as the awesome M3. When you lean it into a bend it gives you usefully more sensation of the road than the old one did. Yet when youíre not flat-out, itís more refined. How did they manage that? Brilliant. Oh, and the V8 isnít just about 8k-plus mania. Itís got torque too. I donít think any other car here gives you so much exotic engineering for every pound sterling. Itís not just a souped-up 3-series Ė itís truly fit to touch the hem of any car here, including Ferrariís.

Matt Master:
The M3 is the car I have to end up championing, even with money no object. Beset by image problems as it doubtless will be, and less desirable as it doubtless is against the big guns here, itíd be the car Iíd most happily live with, share experience with, fall back on in a crisis, ravage in a rash moment. Itís not perfect, and itís certainly not the car I most want, but itís the car thatíd let me sleep deepest at night.

Pat Devereux: Was I the only person not to get on with the M3? Itís got tons of power but youíve really got to thrash it far more than you should have to in a car with a 4.0-litre V8. Actually, itís not just the engine that has masochistic tendencies. The whole car gets a bit sulky if itís not being bent sideways into a corner. We all like a car that likes to be thrashed, but I also want one that works with me when there isnít the space to do so sanely. The M3 doesnít do that. You dance its tune, or dance alone.


I for one can't wait to dance with it myself

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No doubt it's a great all- rounder...........we already kinda knew that.

What will really light things up will be the 4dr M3- all that and a proper back seat too..........should turn a lot of heads.......
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Where is Juzef to complain that the car is "masochistic" and "sulky?"
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Deep down inside Im smiling quietly. The new M3 will rock everyone's world.
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      09-17-2007, 05:04 PM   #5
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good to read those quick comments. Sounds like its going to be one hell of a car! For me though that last comment hit the nail on the head. For an everyday street driven car I dont want to have to rev to 8000rpms and thrash the living daylights out of my car to really see it scream. 335 is a better choice for this gearhead.
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I love the title
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Where is Juzef to complain that the car is "masochistic" and "sulky?"
He is a celebrity now. He won't deal with the common folk.
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      09-17-2007, 05:32 PM   #8
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Didn't you just know that someone would again champion the 335. If it is a
budget issue, maybe, yes. But on this forum ,it's no doubt : M3. My money
is down. Just need BMW USA to tell me when to order! Rick
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Yet more reviewers not specifically complaining of numbness. I'm excited (still)!
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      09-17-2007, 05:43 PM   #10
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Finally, a review that agrees with mine! I think I need to get a job on Top Gear...
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Didn't you just know that someone would again champion the 335. If it is a
budget issue, maybe, yes. But on this forum ,it's no doubt : M3. My money
is down. Just need BMW USA to tell me when to order! Rick
I didnt champion the 335 and personal opinions are allowed here. I'm sure the M3 would be a great car for me to have as well.
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good to read those quick comments. Sounds like its going to be one hell of a car! For me though that last comment hit the nail on the head. For an everyday street driven car I dont want to have to rev to 8000rpms and thrash the living daylights out of my car to really see it scream. 335 is a better choice for this gearhead.
Then get the M-DCT.......very little effort.
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      09-17-2007, 07:03 PM   #14
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Wow

:rocks:

Wow is about all I can say. This is some fierce competition and cars clearly in a league above and beyond the M3. But I guess the lesson from this big comparison is that in actuality they are not all that far outside the M3s league. Great quotes and fantastic results. I continue to be blown away by what folks are choosing to put this beast up against. Can't wait to see the scans!
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:rocks:

Wow is about all I can say. This is some fierce competition and cars clearly in a league above and beyond the M3. But I guess the lesson from this big comparison is that in actuality they are not all that far outside the M3s league. Great quotes and fantastic results. I continue to be blown away by what folks are choosing to put this beast up against. Can't wait to see the scans!
Yeah, it amazes me too that they put it up against this stuff but then I hear one scream by on YouTube and go OMG!
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No doubt it's a great all- rounder...........we already kinda knew that.

What will really light things up will be the 4dr M3- all that and a proper back seat too..........should turn a lot of heads.......


It will be interesting to see what Jeremy Clarkson has to say about the M3, not that it matters too much, but still. He absolutely loved the RS4 and felt that the M5 was too crappy until he pressed the M button.
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It will be interesting to see what Jeremy Clarkson has to say about the M3, not that it matters too much, but still. He absolutely loved the RS4 and felt that the M5 was too crappy until he pressed the M button
Dont forget Jeremy owns an M5....

I am also interested to see what he has to say. He is probably one of BMW's biggest critics.

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Hmm.. Better feel for the corner than the previous gen... maybe some journalists are starting to reverse their claims...

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Hmm.. Better feel for the corner than the previous gen... maybe some journalists are starting to reverse their claims...

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I read it as if he was referring that to the Jag.
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good to read those quick comments. Sounds like its going to be one hell of a car! For me though that last comment hit the nail on the head. For an everyday street driven car I dont want to have to rev to 8000rpms and thrash the living daylights out of my car to really see it scream. 335 is a better choice for this gearhead.
Some considers one isn't living if one doesn't live on the edge. For others the 335i is a brilliantly balanced car. Especially the modibility of it... AWESOME.
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I read it as if he was referring that to the Jag.
He is talking about the M3..he goest on to talk about the V8 and 8K rpm rev range. That doesnt sound like a Jag to me.


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Thatís proper all-round talent, though naturally not as rounded as the awesome M3. When you lean it into a bend it gives you usefully more sensation of the road than the old one did. Yet when youíre not flat-out, itís more refined. How did they manage that? Brilliant. Oh, and the V8 isnít just about 8k-plus mania. Itís got torque too. I donít think any other car here gives you so much exotic engineering for every pound sterling. Itís not just a souped-up 3-series Ė itís truly fit to touch the hem of any car here, including Ferrariís.
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Have to say that I am pleasently surprised with the outcome. M3 took down some big cars.

Isn't the Isle of Man where Top Gear took the CSL to give it a proper test?

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Paul Horrell: ... That’s proper all-round talent, though naturally not as rounded as the awesome M3. When you lean it into a bend it gives you usefully more sensation of the road than the old one did. Yet when you’re not flat-out, it’s more refined. How did they manage that? Brilliant. ...
Gotta love that statement.

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Hmm.. Better feel for the corner than the previous gen... maybe some journalists are starting to reverse their claims...

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Just as the writer for Automobile predicted. And history I might add.
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