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      04-24-2013, 08:17 AM   #67
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Guns are already banned in the five boroughs and have been for quite some time. Security cameras have been on many blocks in manhattan for decades.

The most rational theory is that these guys were coached (assuming you mean by the FBI or alike)? That's somehow more rational than them plotting this on their own? They had the opportunity to kill this kid and they didn't. If they were trying to cover something up, why leave that loose end?
Kool aid, he drinks it.

I think the conspiracy theorists are hilarious. There's not enough of them to really do anything, so all they do is run their mouths, mostly behind keyboards.

Man up and do something about it. Revolt against the corrupt government that has killed thousands of American citizens on purpose (i.e. 9/11).
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      04-24-2013, 09:01 AM   #68
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a democratic republic
Wrong.

"a democracy is a form of government in which the people decide policy matters directly--through town hall meetings, etc.. A republic, on the other hand, is a system in which the people choose representatives who, in turn, make policy decisions on their behalf."

A "democratic republic" is an oxymoron.
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From Merriam-Webster:

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ac·tor noun \ˈak-tər also -ˌtȯr\

Definition of ACTOR

1: one that acts : doer

2
a : one who represents a character in a dramatic production
b : a theatrical performer
c : one who behaves as if acting a part

3: one that takes part in any affair
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I'm pretty sure the commish used the word in the context of definitions 1 or 3.
Yeah, no! I think he meant 2 A
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      04-24-2013, 11:37 AM   #70
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Yeah, no! I think he meant 2 A
You're a mind reader too.
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      04-24-2013, 11:47 AM   #71
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My problem with conspiracy theories is that they assume not only competence but brilliance on the part of government. They also always assume that a wide-spread plan can remain secret from the public.

I'm sorry but, 1) government just ain't that good and, 2) the only true secrets are the ones held by one person--all the rest get leaked.
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You're a mind reader too.
Out of all these shooting and bombings, NOT once were any of the suspects called actors. What does the word mean to like 99% of the people and why would he use that word? And why wouldn't he just continue on his sentence? He knew he f'd up and started again and called them "individuals" again.
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Out of all these shooting and bombings, NOT once were any of the suspects called actors. What does the word mean to like 99% of the people and why would he use that word? And why wouldn't he just continue on his sentence? He knew he f'd up and started again and called them "individuals" again.
Not sure if serious.

If so, see my previous post on conspiracy theorists. Not only are you taking an extremely small % of evidence as discrepant and blowing it way out of proportion, you're completely disregarding the primary definition of the word "actor". In the legal world, for example, the word "act" is used in practically every contract every day, and its usage is replete in every statute, wherein 99.99% of such usage does not refer to performance in a dramatic production.
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Not sure if serious.

If so, see my previous post on conspiracy theorists. Not only are you taking an extremely small % of evidence as discrepant and blowing it way out of proportion, you're completely disregarding the primary definition of the word "actor". In the legal world, for example, the word "act" is used in practically every contract every day, and its usage is replete in every statute, wherein 99.99% of such usage does not refer to performance in a dramatic production.
There is actually not a small percentage of evidence there is a bunch. Look at the sandy hook shooting theories, they all make sense. He accidentally said "actors" but then he quickly changes it to "these were the two individuals". There's guys wearing navy gear with black backpacks that look exactly like the one used in the bombing but did the FBI investigate them? And the Saudi guy who was placed on 212 3B that means he was proven to take part in terrorist acts and after the Saudis meeting with Obama and the fed govt they quickly dropped the charge... And no obama didn't discuss Syria. There is also a video of suspect #1 being taken in to custody with no clothes on... But look how he ended up. Shot and dead. There's a bunch more evidence you just gotta do your research and NOT listen to any of the media... Because "them killers are in political suits".
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Wrong.

"a democracy is a form of government in which the people decide policy matters directly--through town hall meetings, etc.. A republic, on the other hand, is a system in which the people choose representatives who, in turn, make policy decisions on their behalf."

A "democratic republic" is an oxymoron.
we're a mixed form of govt (ever vote on a proposition?)...just like our economy is mixed with socialism and capitalism
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There is actually not a small percentage of evidence there is a bunch. Look at the sandy hook shooting theories, they all make sense. He accidentally said "actors" but then he quickly changes it to "these were the two individuals". There's guys wearing navy gear with black backpacks that look exactly like the one used in the bombing but did the FBI investigate them? And the Saudi guy who was placed on 212 3B that means he was proven to take part in terrorist acts and after the Saudis meeting with Obama and the fed govt they quickly dropped the charge... And no obama didn't discuss Syria. There is also a video of suspect #1 being taken in to custody with no clothes on... But look how he ended up. Shot and dead. There's a bunch more evidence you just gotta do your research and NOT listen to any of the media... Because "them killers are in political suits".
In the overall picture, what you've pointed out, and what I've seen so far from various "conspiracy" websites still amounts to <1% of the sum total of evidence.

By the way, whether you get info from Fox News, CNN or other mainstream outlet, or whether you get info from infowars or any other website, it's still media (i.e. someone is force-feeding info to you through some kind of filter). There is no reason to think that mainstream media is any more biased than "independent" media. Each has an agenda, and each will show you what they want to show you.

I'm not saying we can't have questions, but not everyone deserves answers.
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we're a mixed form of govt (ever vote on a proposition?)...just like our economy is mixed with socialism and capitalism
Ever vote on a proposition in a FEDERAL election? I didn't think so. We are discussing the U.S. government, not state government. The point stands.
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Ever vote on a proposition in a FEDERAL election? I didn't think so. We are discussing the U.S. government, not state government. The point stands.
fine don't get all testy; read this btw http://www.williampmeyers.org/republic.html
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Wow at the selective modding on the "off topic" section of this forum. We have one guy encouraging people to overthrow the federal govt and that post stays and my post was deleted because I called that line of thinking "semi literate". I will just stay off this part of the forum from now on since debate isnt allowed.
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Wow at the selective modding on the "off topic" section of this forum. We have one guy encouraging people to overthrow the federal govt and that post stays and my post was deleted because I called that line of thinking "semi literate". I will just stay off this part of the forum from now on since debate isnt allowed.
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and? its just an internet forum. Life goes on. Well maybe not for you. Doesnt matter anyway, Ive already taken a few screen shots from these threads and will send them to DHS and OGA's.
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and? its just an internet forum. Life goes on. Well maybe not for you. Doesnt matter anyway, Ive already taken a few screen shots from these threads and will send them to DHS and OGA's.
lol calm down i was joking...sheesh who gives two shts about this forum these days?
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In the overall picture, what you've pointed out, and what I've seen so far from various "conspiracy" websites still amounts to <1% of the sum total of evidence.

By the way, whether you get info from Fox News, CNN or other mainstream outlet, or whether you get info from infowars or any other website, it's still media (i.e. someone is force-feeding info to you through some kind of filter). There is no reason to think that mainstream media is any more biased than "independent" media. Each has an agenda, and each will show you what they want to show you.

I'm not saying we can't have questions, but not everyone deserves answers.
Brah, 1%? Really? C'mon mangg
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and? its just an internet forum. Life goes on. Well maybe not for you. Doesnt matter anyway, Ive already taken a few screen shots from these threads and will send them to DHS and OGA's.
While your at it tell the DHS to go F them selves and stop hiring crisis actors. Thanks
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and? its just an internet forum. Life goes on. Well maybe not for you. Doesnt matter anyway, Ive already taken a few screen shots from these threads and will send them to DHS and OGA's.
LOL. I'll wait for the phone call... You want to give them my work phone number? They can probably look me up on their global e-mail in outlook, since we might even be on the same system... Even though I'm not on the secret network here, it'll still be hilarious.

I never endorsed or encouraged anything, I merely wondered why you people weren't doing more than posting on bimmerpost about it trying to convince everyone else here, when no one here on a car forum really cares. And coming from the other guy (who was banned before for trolling, no idea why they let him back), it makes it even better. It seems you're just silly enough to not see the sarcasm in my statement as well. Next time I'll add a little smiley so it gets through.

Keep it up, you got me rolling over here....
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My problem with conspiracy theories is that they assume not only competence but brilliance on the part of government. They also always assume that a wide-spread plan can remain secret from the public.

I'm sorry but, 1) government just ain't that good and, 2) the only true secrets are the ones held by one person--all the rest get leaked.
That's just what the government wants you to think. In reality, they are pro's at this stuff.... Don't you watch South Park?
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LOL. I'll wait for the phone call... You want to give them my work phone number? They can probably look me up on their global e-mail in outlook, since we might even be on the same system... Even though I'm not on the secret network here, it'll still be hilarious.

I never endorsed or encouraged anything, I merely wondered why you people weren't doing more than posting on bimmerpost about it trying to convince everyone else here, when no one here on a car forum really cares. And coming from the other guy (who was banned before for trolling, no idea why they let him back), it makes it even better. It seems you're just silly enough to not see the sarcasm in my statement as well. Next time I'll add a little smiley so it gets through.

Keep it up, you got me rolling over here....
Don't worry.nthe guys a joke even if he calls them what are they going to do? Arrest you for saying your opinion. Your not making any threats or terroristic threats
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Wow at the selective modding on the "off topic" section of this forum. We have one guy encouraging people to overthrow the federal govt and that post stays and my post was deleted because I called that line of thinking "semi literate". I will just stay off this part of the forum from now on since debate isnt allowed.
Just so we are clear, who is encouraging people to overthrow the government? which btw is probably about impossible in a country like this.

also your post got deleted? so did mine and i got a warning, one warning away from being banned! lol

although it may in part have to do with the cursing i did, it is truly sad to see that they limit our freedom of speech on here..has no one heard of a heated debate?

oh and good luck with dhs fbi cia and whoever else you are contacting them, send them the thread and the link to the imagur as well so it can be taken off the internet right away!
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