BMW M3 Forum (E90 E92)

BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Go Back   M3Post - BMW M3 Forum > M3 (E90 / E92 / E93) > M3 vs....
 
GTB Performance
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      04-05-2013, 03:51 PM   #1
Veritable
Second Lieutenant
23
Rep
203
Posts

 
Drives: '13 Cadillac CTS-V Sedan 6MT
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Vancouver, Canada

iTrader: (0)

(Un)natural Progression: E90 M3 -> Cadillac CTS-V Sedan

Enough with the whining... the deal is done. It happened.

The goal was to be able to find a dealer with one that is willing to discount it enough / offer a good enough trade-in value on the M3 that the overall spend will be cheaper than me putting Recaros + KW V3s + Brembo GTs + ESS VT2-585 into the BMW.

Had to go to a dealer 1000km / 600mi away in Calgary, Alberta to make it happen, but happen it did.

Driving the M3 to Calgary to make the swap happen:











After a 13hrs drive and then spending a night in Downtown Calgary, woke up at 8AM then checked out of the hotel at around 9:30 for the 20km / 12mi drive to the dealership....



















A stop in Banff National Park on the way back home:











The whole trip, condensed into 1hr:



Made it home at 2AM, and the biggest question on my friends and family's minds is... will it fit? I had only 20cm / ~10in clearance with the M3 before....





...and it did! Just.

Finally, got rid of the dealership badge with a hairdryer, a length of dental floss and finished up with a tiny bit of gasoline on a rag:





Deal was good but not good enough for me to carry this around!

Finally, inspection done, registered / titled / plated:



It's a 2013 Cadillac CTS-V Sedan 6MT, Black Diamond Tri-coat | Satin Graphite wheels | red brake calipers | Performance Seats with metallic pedals | Suede package | Ultraview Sunroof | Midnight Sapele wood trim.
Appreciate 0
      04-05-2013, 04:47 PM   #2
Denk
Lieutenant Colonel
United_States
23
Rep
1,973
Posts

 
Drives: E92 M3 ZCP
Join Date: May 2011
Location: PNW

iTrader: (2)

Not the same Caddy dad used to drive for sure. I respect the performance, my neighbor has a 2012. I like your old M3 a lot better though. It's a visual thing.
Appreciate 0
      04-05-2013, 05:13 PM   #3
krnnerdboy
Colonel
krnnerdboy's Avatar
United_States
37
Rep
2,155
Posts

 
Drives: v10 m6
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: so cal

iTrader: (10)

Man I do love the look of the red e90! But the performance advantage is undeniable!!!
__________________

F80 m3, 997 gt3, 14 ram ctd, f15 x5, drz400sm

Gone:z4m, boss 302, c6 z06, m6,z3m
Appreciate 0
      04-05-2013, 06:03 PM   #4
lorinzo
Captain
United_States
9
Rep
724
Posts

 
Drives: 2011 e90 M3
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Los Angeles, CA

iTrader: (0)

Looks good.
__________________
| 2011 M3 Sedan | Le Mans Blue | M-DCT | ZC2 | ZCP | ZP3 | Moonroof | Enhanced Premium Sound | Dinan free flow exhaust | Dinan performance engine software | Dinan pulley | Dinan intake | Dinan pedals | Bimmian LED interior | Lux H8 V3 | WeissLicht PY24W LED | 20% tint | IND reflectors | IND front grills | IND key hole cover | IND hood vents | IND M5 mirror covers | Reus Systems audio upgrade | Verstraβe shifter paddles | BBS LM 20x9 et 15 and 20x10 et 20 | Michelin PSS 245/30/20 and 275/30/20 | H&R Sport springs |
Appreciate 0
      04-05-2013, 06:52 PM   #5
Crack85
Enlisted Member
0
Rep
33
Posts

 
Drives: None yet. Looking curently
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: United States

iTrader: (0)

Lookin good Sir
Appreciate 0
      04-05-2013, 07:20 PM   #6
Nati Beastcat
Trader!!
Nati Beastcat's Avatar
28
Rep
1,284
Posts

 
Drives: E55 AMG
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Cincinnati

iTrader: (5)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Denk View Post
Not the same Caddy dad used to drive for sure. I respect the performance, my neighbor has a 2012. I like your old M3 a lot better though. It's a visual thing.
Quote:
Originally Posted by krnnerdboy View Post
Man I do love the look of the red e90! But the performance advantage is undeniable!!!
both of these... looks of the M3 and the caddy power plant!!
__________________
Eisenmann race | Test Pipes | BPM Stage 2 | Vorsteiner | Black lines | AA filter | iND cosmetics | KW Sleeve over | 20" BBS LM's | Macht Schnell Tow Strap | Euro modded front bumper | Revinora lip | iND mirror caps | BMW spoiler | BMW Steering wheel | iND Interior Pkg |You bet Jerez its black and i'll never go back! Instagram @NATIBEASTCAT
Appreciate 0
      04-05-2013, 07:44 PM   #7
M3takesNYC
Banned
8
Rep
426
Posts

 
Drives: m3
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: NYC

iTrader: (0)

Can't get over the look on the caddy (in a negative way) I wish Caddy would have done an XLR-esque departure and made their Cts V an entirely new shape that looked nothing like the typical caddy which although more modern, is unchanged from 50 years ago. A car with softer bends and more appealing to the eye, with 550 supercharged hp, would have been a smash hit
Appreciate 0
      04-05-2013, 08:19 PM   #8
Chriskm3
Colonel
Chriskm3's Avatar
Canada
28
Rep
2,218
Posts

 
Drives: M3
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Toronto

iTrader: (4)

Caddy looks very mean.
__________________
Vf supercharger + tune/H&R coils/ Akra evolution exhaust/Volk te37/ Rs-3 tires/ Brembos /TIal BOV/ OSS blacked out headlights/LUX v3/Led taillights/ Challenge Front lip/ P3 vent gauge/ F10 m5 shift mob/Matte black front grills/ And a funky air fresher
Appreciate 0
      04-06-2013, 12:24 AM   #9
swanson
Convicted Felon
swanson's Avatar
32
Rep
1,602
Posts

 
Drives: chariot
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: NY

iTrader: (0)

Congrats! Looks great and nice pics.
Appreciate 0
      04-06-2013, 08:30 AM   #10
FormulaMMM
Major
FormulaMMM's Avatar
United_States
25
Rep
1,445
Posts

 
Drives: E90 M3
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Midwest

iTrader: (1)

Driving impressions? Did you make the right choice?
Appreciate 0
      04-06-2013, 10:21 AM   #11
JulieDriving
Female driving enthusiast :P
JulieDriving's Avatar
30
Rep
2,308
Posts

 
Drives: Bimmer
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Ontario, Canada

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Hey, I know you've always wanted one. Now you've got it. Congrats!! I'm sure the road trip was good for memories too. She looks nice.

Hope your old M3 goes to a good home.
__________________
2013 M3 coupe (Azurite Black, Black, Piano Black)
+ miata nut (2 miatas) + Mk6 GTI 5-door hatch (our mini-SUV )
Appreciate 0
      04-06-2013, 11:11 AM   #12
TTG
...
TTG's Avatar
United_States
30
Rep
2,887
Posts

 
Drives: 2011 E92 M3
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Seattle, WA

iTrader: (2)

Garage List
I don't think I can ever convince my self to buy a Cadillac regardless of the performance.

Looks like you got the car you wanted and Congrats.
__________________
Retired: 2011 E92 M3 AW w/ Silver Novillo ZCP, ZTP, ZPP, 494, 6FL, 507, 302 & 415.....ED April 29th, 2010
Retired: 2007 E92 335i -Space Gray, Black Leatherette + Alum, Nav, ZCW, ZSP, PDC, CA & Sunshade.....ED Oct 19th, 2006
Appreciate 0
      04-06-2013, 11:13 AM   #13
gthal
Brigadier General
gthal's Avatar
Canada
84
Rep
3,514
Posts

 
Drives: 2015 M4
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Canada

iTrader: (2)

Garage List
2011 M3  [3.37]
I actually think the Caddy looks more aggressive than the E90 M3 and I'm sure the performance will be great! I'm sure you will enjoy it.

P.S. Please tell me you don't normally wearing racing gloves when you drive, right? It must have been cause the car was cold driving though the mountains!
__________________
2015 M4 | Austin Yellow | Black Full Merino Leather | DCT
2014 Corvette Stingray | Z51 | Torch Red | 7MT - Sold
2012 MB C63 Coupe | Performance package | Obsidian Black - Sold
2011 E92 M3 | Jerez Black | Fox Red | DCT | Competition Package - Sold
Appreciate 0
      04-06-2013, 02:23 PM   #14
Darth One
Former yr 1of1 owner
Darth One's Avatar
United_States
11
Rep
1,109
Posts

 
Drives: SGM E90
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: FL

iTrader: (0)

impressions compared to M3?
Appreciate 0
      04-06-2013, 05:40 PM   #15
krnnerdboy
Colonel
krnnerdboy's Avatar
United_States
37
Rep
2,155
Posts

 
Drives: v10 m6
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: so cal

iTrader: (10)

Quote:
Originally Posted by gthal
I actually think the Caddy looks more aggressive than the E90 M3 and I'm sure the performance will be great! I'm sure you will enjoy it.

P.S. Please tell me you don't normally wearing racing gloves when you drive, right? It must have been cause the car was cold driving though the mountains!
Haha, I did on occasion in my boss302 bc of the alcantara steering wheel! I'm a clean steering wheel freak and I couldn't stand the thought of not being able to wipe it down everyday
__________________

F80 m3, 997 gt3, 14 ram ctd, f15 x5, drz400sm

Gone:z4m, boss 302, c6 z06, m6,z3m
Appreciate 0
      04-07-2013, 01:58 AM   #16
E90ab335i
Private
0
Rep
63
Posts

 
Drives: 2007 Silver E90 335i
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Orange County

iTrader: (0)

I'm gonna be honest, that CTS-V looks badass......
Appreciate 0
      04-08-2013, 01:16 AM   #17
Veritable
Second Lieutenant
23
Rep
203
Posts

 
Drives: '13 Cadillac CTS-V Sedan 6MT
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Vancouver, Canada

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by krnnerdboy View Post
Haha, I did on occasion in my boss302 bc of the alcantara steering wheel! I'm a clean steering wheel freak and I couldn't stand the thought of not being able to wipe it down everyday
Yes! Didn't want to ruin the suede on the first day, especially since I was going to continuously spend 13hrs in the car.... I have the gloves, I brought them, and I used them.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth One View Post
impressions compared to M3?
Quote:
Originally Posted by FormulaMMM View Post
Driving impressions? Did you make the right choice?
Did the level 1 Car Control Clinic with the BMW Car Club of BC (of which I still am and will remain a member; regardless our club's driver training courses are usually enjoyed by non-BMW owners as we organize the most of these events in our local area) today. Here's the compilation video:



And 1 pic from my cellphone:


I will start with the bad, which have everything to do with quality and design decisions:

1. BMW likes to make the dash and consoles each with one solid piece of plastic, which is very boring but very solid. The CTS has more pieces of trim, which need more clips, which means more gaps and more chances to squeak.

2. The switchgears were more solid in the BMW. For example, the turn signal stalk (which you use a lot, obviously) "flicks" into position once you move it past the centering resistance in the CTS, while in the BMW you "move" them.

3. The steering wheel is just a regular CTS wheel with gloss black trim and wrapped in suede (which is even an added cost), while I much prefer BMW's bespoke small-diameter thick-rimmed M3 wheel.

4. Still on the steering, and the only "performance" complaint I have, the steering is too light from center. So, small adjustments when you're going straight, or the initial turn-in feels floaty.

5. Electronic parking brake is the Devil's own invention.

6. The big screen in the middle is just for Nav and Entertainment. All the rest of the stuffs you set up and tweak are done through the small screen in your instrument cluster... same as your BMW if there's no iDrive. I liked how with iDrive then everything is moved onto the screen. Took me a few hours to figure out where to pair my Bluetooth phone. In fact I would say it's as if the big screen is an aftermarket Nav / Entertainment unit, which is also not tied into the car's electronics.

7. is related to 6, no more BMW Office (I had a 2011.75 E90) which copies down your phone's phonebook and shows text messages (and e-mails for Blackberries and iPhones apparently). The CTS is just a Bluetooth headset with call display screen.

However, here are the good, and they have everything to do with the engine, chassis, dynamics and even perception.

1. I took the exact same route back with the CTS as I went there with the M3, and today's skidpad session confirms it: For my skill level, whatever I did in the M3 I can still do in the CTS-V. I cannot feel the 250kg difference in weight in transitions, and there's not any additional body roll that I can tell. Chalk that up to the Magne-Ride Shocks?

2. Continue with the steering, once you're a bit past center or going into the corner at a good speed, then the steering feel tightens up and becomes quite "BMW-like."

3. Another point for Magne-Ride and possibly the beefier tires, the ride quality is at least 50% better than both of my non-EDC M3s.

4. The acceleration from any RPM is... amazing, but I'm sure you guys all know that already. That probably helps the car shrug off the alleged weight penalty.

5. Despite the great gobs of torque this engine shoves out at any RPM, it does so in such an effortless laid-back manner that I have absolutely no doubt regarding the longevity of this drivetrain. The engine only revs out to 6200rpm and it's just not necessary to beat on it to get the job done; the transmission is straight out of the ZR-1 Corvette, where it handles another 100ft.lb. of torque; and from a stop, the rear suspension puts the power down a lot better than the M3 (and I'll confirm that at the dragstrip next month, the same place where my DCT M3 couldn't use Launch Control at any RPM).

6. The front Performance Seats are awesome, and in a related note the rear bench is also a much nicer and roomier place to be compared to the BMW.

7. is possibly my favorite. Since my town is full of kids driving BMWs in general and M3s in particular, whereas the CTS is owned by almost no-one, when going with the provincial government-owned insurance / licensing agency my insurance cost is now HALF compared to the BMW. Not seeing another V for another 6 months vs. seeing multiple E9x M3s daily is an added bonus.

So, if it was between a CTS vs. a 3-series, BMW for sure. When it's the CTS-V vs. an M3, though, even though dynamically they go about their businesses quite differently, the V is just as quick for me in the twisties while having so much more effortless power on tap. I'm happy with it.
Appreciate 0
      04-08-2013, 06:25 AM   #18
FormulaMMM
Major
FormulaMMM's Avatar
United_States
25
Rep
1,445
Posts

 
Drives: E90 M3
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Midwest

iTrader: (1)

Cool. Nice comparison.
__________________
DCT E90 M3: Akrapovic Evolution, KW Clubsport, Stoptech ST-40 Front + Pagid RS29 | Stock Rear + Stoptech SP, Apex ARC-8 + Hankook Ventus S1 noble2 275/35/18 (street), Apex EC-7 18x10 ET25 + Nitto NT01 275/35/18 (track), tbd...
Past: Velos Designwerks Tune, Megan Racing Catback, Macht Schnell Filter
Appreciate 0
      04-08-2013, 07:20 AM   #19
gthal
Brigadier General
gthal's Avatar
Canada
84
Rep
3,514
Posts

 
Drives: 2015 M4
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Canada

iTrader: (2)

Garage List
2011 M3  [3.37]
Great review and it doesn't surprise me. Caddy is known for interior issues even though the interior looks very nice but the performance is undeniable. It also looks as mean as hell.
__________________
2015 M4 | Austin Yellow | Black Full Merino Leather | DCT
2014 Corvette Stingray | Z51 | Torch Red | 7MT - Sold
2012 MB C63 Coupe | Performance package | Obsidian Black - Sold
2011 E92 M3 | Jerez Black | Fox Red | DCT | Competition Package - Sold
Appreciate 0
      04-10-2013, 10:19 AM   #20
shu5892001
Private First Class
shu5892001's Avatar
China
1
Rep
117
Posts

 
Drives: E90 M3 6MT
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Toronto

iTrader: (0)

I would of kept the E90 but different strokes for different folks. As long as it makes you happy, that's all it matters.

congrats,
Appreciate 0
      04-15-2013, 11:49 PM   #21
pkimM3r
Banned
pkimM3r's Avatar
96
Rep
7,321
Posts

 
Drives: m3 saloon in granny mode.
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: lost angeles

iTrader: (0)

Ctsv is nice but you should be comparing it to the m5. Thats like comparing an m5 to an ATSV.
Appreciate 0
      04-16-2013, 11:15 AM   #22
CPB
Second Lieutenant
CPB's Avatar
2
Rep
204
Posts

 
Drives: M6
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: East Coast

iTrader: (0)

CTS-V..........I'm a fan. Enjoy the new car!
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:39 PM.




m3post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST