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      04-16-2013, 12:52 AM   #111
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I see it's pointless to change some people's brains. Whatever. Stubbornness will not change.

Can someone tell me what BMW models are build in the US?
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I see it's pointless to change some people's brains. Whatever. Stubbornness will not change.

Can someone tell me what BMW models are build in the US?
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      04-16-2013, 09:36 AM   #113
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I dont see why you guys are so against the Chinese brand? sitting in front your computer complainting like a bunch of uneducated children, typical Aemerican style.

first of all, I own many BMWs, and every fucking time it goes to the dealership for a repair is a "made in US" one, you telling me thats "quality"? my german build BMWs never had to go to the dealership for any repairs, period!

so shut your hole and accept the world order has changed, most of US made cars are piece of crap, and you guys have no rights blaming the Chinese quality are cheaper, in fact, you get what you pay for. there are high precision products made in China, but are you willing to pay the price? of course no, because you want it cheap! then shut your hole and grow up.
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      04-16-2013, 10:02 AM   #114
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      04-16-2013, 10:45 AM   #115
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apparently some posters on this board doesn't use iPhone, or iMacs, or anything of quality made in China.
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      04-16-2013, 01:08 PM   #116
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apparently some posters on this board doesn't use iPhone, or iMacs, or anything of quality made in China.
Yap, you are right. Some of us don't.
There are super quality products out there that outshines any apple product. And they are not made in china. I am not an Apple guy anyway, I like freedom and diversity.
When BMW will become the next Apple, I will change.
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Yap, you are right. Some of us don't.
There are super quality products out there that outshines any apple product. And they are not made in china. I am not an Apple guy anyway, I like freedom and diversity.
When BMW will become the next Apple, I will change.
the world need ppl like you, and thats how the chinese are advancing fast, ppl who doesnt accept the change will just be eliminated eventually.
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      04-16-2013, 10:02 PM   #118
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If you've ever been in a BMW factory, you'd see that while there are people there, a HUGE amount of the precision jobs are done by robots. Nearly every weld, glue joint, rivet is installed by a robot. Critical alignment construction is done by robots. The people may feed the jig that holds the parts, but then automation takes over, followed by automated laser an sensor quality checks to verify everything is done properly. Certainly, there's room for errors, but as more and more of it is taken over by the computers and robots, where the vehicles are actually assembled is less of a concern. Now, holding a supplier up to a high standard for materials that meet the design specs is a big issue...water pollution, unstable power, and various potential contamination is a concern. Quite awhile ago, my brother-in-law was involved with Kodak building a factory there. Lots of problems, but they ended up building their own water purification system to supply the plant and generated their own clean, reliable power to keep things going. Some processes just cannot tolerate a break in infrastructure. How they'll survive with the JIT manufacturing techniques used in other BMW plants will be interesting. But, I suppose stockpiling parts may not as big a financial hit as elsewhere.

I do believe China can and does make some quality products...just too many of them are just not executed well, whether because of design, process, or material choices to keep the price down, it's sometimes hard to say. Bottom line, they can build nice things...they often fail, maybe intentionally. In a disposable society, high quality is often not a major factor.
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      04-16-2013, 11:33 PM   #119
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When BMW will become the next Apple, I will change.
I deliberately never owned any apple product. IMO, Apple's competitors are generally technically superior.

Can you tell me if there is really any difference in the recent way BMW and Apple approach their product development. Now it seems like BMW even copy Apple's trademark "i" prefix for the electric cars.
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      04-17-2013, 12:55 AM   #120
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Yap, you are right. Some of us don't.
There are super quality products out there that outshines any apple product. And they are not made in china. I am not an Apple guy anyway, I like freedom and diversity.
When BMW will become the next Apple, I will change.
The truth is no matter what you buy, the company still gets the most benefit out from China. That means you can only follow what Chinese like.
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If you've ever been in a BMW factory, you'd see that while there are people there, a HUGE amount of the precision jobs are done by robots. Nearly every weld, glue joint, rivet is installed by a robot. Critical alignment construction is done by robots. The people may feed the jig that holds the parts, but then automation takes over, followed by automated laser an sensor quality checks to verify everything is done properly. Certainly, there's room for errors, but as more and more of it is taken over by the computers and robots, where the vehicles are actually assembled is less of a concern. Now, holding a supplier up to a high standard for materials that meet the design specs is a big issue...water pollution, unstable power, and various potential contamination is a concern. Quite awhile ago, my brother-in-law was involved with Kodak building a factory there. Lots of problems, but they ended up building their own water purification system to supply the plant and generated their own clean, reliable power to keep things going. Some processes just cannot tolerate a break in infrastructure. How they'll survive with the JIT manufacturing techniques used in other BMW plants will be interesting. But, I suppose stockpiling parts may not as big a financial hit as elsewhere.

I do believe China can and does make some quality products...just too many of them are just not executed well, whether because of design, process, or material choices to keep the price down, it's sometimes hard to say. Bottom line, they can build nice things...they often fail, maybe intentionally. In a disposable society, high quality is often not a major factor.
There is a video at the bottom of the page showing the BMW factory in China. I don't see what will go wrong if the factory is in China.
http://ca.autoblog.com/2013/04/13/bm...export-models/
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      04-17-2013, 01:15 AM   #122
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Let's compare the BMW factory in Germany

At 1:25, how much will you pay to put the BMW badge on?
and China,
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      04-17-2013, 04:03 PM   #123
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Having been at many BMW plants throughout the globe there is virtually no difference to whether you are in India , China , South Africa or even the US, because it still feels like you are in Germany.

Everything is done accordingly to German developed methods including quality control and even training but one thing is consistently constant.
The languages may differ but there is one universal language every global associate speaks and that is BMW.
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      04-17-2013, 05:21 PM   #124
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Yap, you are right. Some of us don't.
There are super quality products out there that outshines any apple product. And they are not made in china. I am not an Apple guy anyway, I like freedom and diversity.
When BMW will become the next Apple, I will change.
Please tell me which major brand has a non Chinese built product. Every major brand including LG, Samsung, Apple, HTC, etc all manufacture their products in China.
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