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      09-05-2007, 07:37 PM   #23
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If that's a CSL, which is possible, then it's a very early mule. It won't look exactly like that car, they're only "imitating" the aerodynamics...

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I agree on the early E46 CSL test cars they mimicked the aerodynamics of the spoiler. I saw a photo of it in its early stages and its "csl" lip on the trunk was an add on spoiler and later on they integrated into the now infamous CSL trunk. I have to see if I can find that photo.
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      09-05-2007, 09:00 PM   #24
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I'm willing to dish out 10k above the normal M3 price for a true M3 that weighs at least 200 lbs less and has propper steering feel and also improved gas milage by 3mpg! Hopefully, that'll translate to something equal or under $70k base.


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      09-05-2007, 09:41 PM   #25
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He probably will be, but it's not an absurd dream. $10k should buy quite a few enhancements in the real world, not the market-driven exclusive world.
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      09-05-2007, 09:44 PM   #26
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The previous CSL held a 50% price premium over the standard M. If this car came to the states this thing could cost 80K at best. Which would actually pretty good if the CSL was a real performer and gave cars like the GT3 and new GTR a run for its money.

But I dont expect to the see the CSL in the states...

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      09-05-2007, 10:05 PM   #27
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The previous CSL held a 50% price premium over the standard M. If this car came to the states this thing could cost 80K at best. Which would actually pretty good if the CSL was a real performer and gave cars like the GT3 and new GTR a run for its money.

But I dont expect to the see the CSL in the states...

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yeah highly doubt
looks pretty cheap with front fender extenders and they need to work on the trunk spoiler
E46 CSL > E92 CSL at this point.
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      09-05-2007, 10:12 PM   #28
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From what i can see, it's still a prototype. This is going to be one bad beast with or without the rear lid
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      09-05-2007, 10:24 PM   #29
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A few weeks ago, Scott26 wrote that the decision has been made not to ship the CSL to the US, some people here seem to think he has been wrong before. Even if it makes it here, the premium will most likely be more like $20k-$25k.
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      09-05-2007, 11:20 PM   #30
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The black fender extenders are wack. How much weight you recken they'll reduce it to? Also, ya think they'll fix the steering feel issue everyone is talkin bout? Lastly, how much extra $$ do you think it will cost.

I'm willing to dish out 10k above the normal M3 price for a true M3 that weighs at least 200 lbs less and has propper steering feel and also improved gas milage by 3mpg! Hopefully, that'll translate to something equal or under $70k base.

Note, extra horse power is NOT on the my list. An extra two cylnders is NOT on the list either! Extra low end torque is of course always welcome. More sporty interior is also welcome. Cool exclussive CSL colors are very desirable.

Here's BMW's chance to get if right.

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Look, all of your posts are pretty much critical of the M3. If you dislike this "failure" of a car as a base model so much there is no way you will like the CSL. No matter how "wrong" BMW gets the CSL in your eyes it will be have track performance well into the exotic range.

Furthermore, if you know anything about the last gen. CSL, you would know you are not going to get much of anything you want and list above, i.e. not coming to the US, wouldn't be $70k if it did, may weigh 200 lb less and will not get better mileage and not likely to have significantly more low end torque.

Just like the base model (which is clearly looking like a performance "monster" from the test data we have already) take it or leave it.

I suppose I need to say I think this board is open to all thoughts, negative and positive so don't start whining that I or we don't like your opinion. It is simply that your posts are always negative and many like the one quoted are quite naive.
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      09-05-2007, 11:24 PM   #31
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Look, all of your posts are pretty much critical of the M3.
Well, "all" may be a bit much. I don't think I have been negative, except for wishing for a little better interior and exterior design. You're right that the overall tone is negative. This will disappear in about 7 or 8 months, I think, when we actually get to drive the damn thing.
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      09-05-2007, 11:43 PM   #32
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The black fender extenders are wack. How much weight you recken they'll reduce it to? Also, ya think they'll fix the steering feel issue everyone is talkin bout? Lastly, how much extra $$ do you think it will cost.

I'm willing to dish out 10k above the normal M3 price for a true M3 that weighs at least 200 lbs less and has propper steering feel and also improved gas milage by 3mpg! Hopefully, that'll translate to something equal or under $70k base.

Note, extra horse power is NOT on the my list. An extra two cylnders is NOT on the list either! Extra low end torque is of course always welcome. More sporty interior is also welcome. Cool exclussive CSL colors are very desirable.

Here's BMW's chance to get if right.

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I have it on very good authority that the CSL will ship with a FI V6 engine with 333 hp, 500 lb-ft and twin turbos with no lag. It will weigh 200 kg less and its steering wheel is specially designed to transmit the exact texture of the road. The interior has been designed by fashionistas from Milan and the car will only be available in Exclusive Yellow and Pretentious Purple. It will cost $71k so sadly you are out of luck.

Do not question my sources.
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      09-06-2007, 12:11 AM   #33
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No matter what he will be dissapointed. Its not coming to the US so he cant buy it.
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      09-06-2007, 12:42 AM   #34
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bootlid looks great in my opinion. though i hope that the fender extensions end up being color matched with the body.
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      09-06-2007, 01:58 AM   #35
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Looks like the Technik Spoiler, yet not molded. Looks good so far.
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      09-06-2007, 03:01 AM   #36
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i don't think this is the csl. it's 1. way too early 2. i don't seen any difference between this m3 and every other m3.
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      09-06-2007, 04:10 AM   #37
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It looks like they are testing some aero apendages to me, none of which are in production format, so there's no need to draw any conclusions on the finished product.

What it does tell us though is that to be testing in such an open manner, that the production version is likely to appear within a year from now.

p.s. just to reinforce Brian's point, when the E46 CSL was testing, all the aero changes looked similarly stuck on, so expect to see these more integrated and probably very different in the production version.
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      09-06-2007, 05:07 AM   #38
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Yeah they are going to want way to much for this thing!
if you cant pay cash for something like the CSL...
you cant afford it
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Before i posted there's no visable back seat, I just noticed there's no iDrive hump either.

This has gotta be it.
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      09-06-2007, 09:13 AM   #40
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hmmm, already for CSL?

yeah, the trunk kinda signifies "it could" be a csl.
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I have it on very good authority that the CSL will ship with a FI V6 engine with 333 hp, 500 lb-ft and twin turbos with no lag. It will weigh 200 kg less and its steering wheel is specially designed to transmit the exact texture of the road. The interior has been designed by fashionistas from Milan and the car will only be available in Exclusive Yellow and Pretentious Purple. It will cost $71k so sadly you are out of luck.

Do not question my sources.
Keto, but you forgot all about the brakes--we had that 2 page exchange for no reason!?
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I dont know how reliable this info is but its from GCZ

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"another few appetizer:
Magnesium-rims
Ceramic-brake
no rearseat - only auxiliary
frontseat - Recaro"
Ceramic brakes ... that should fix the M cars questionable braking stamina once and for all. Oh boy... looking at the list it's going to be expensive.
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      09-06-2007, 02:54 PM   #44
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BMW wouldn't (as would no other company) release mules with the finished bodywork this early. The M3 was still wearing bumper camo throughout the early summer and we already knew what that looked like.

It is almost certainly the first CSL test mule.
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