BMW M3 Forum (E90 E92)

BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Go Back   M3Post - BMW M3 Forum > E90/E92 M3 Technical Topics > Mechanical Maintenance: Break-in / Oil & Fluids / Servicing
 
VF Engineering
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      03-23-2013, 04:55 AM   #1
W///
Brigadier General
 
W///'s Avatar
 
Drives: 2008 E92 M3/1999 E36 M3 Coupe
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: SC

Posts: 4,704
iTrader: (11)

Blackstone Analysis Of S65 at 65k miles (using Liqui Moly)

Looks pretty good to me. I saw that some other guys had really high lead content. I'm the second owner of the car, bought it at 57k miles. Did my first oil change right at 60k with Liqui Moly 10W60 and MANN filter. Will test oil again in 7500 miles.



Keeper:
__________________
2008 E92 M3: Sparkling Graphite | Bamboo Beige | 6MT | CF Roof | HRE | Eisenmann | BPM Sport | Swift | Arkym | Mode Carbon | M.Perf
W/// is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      03-23-2013, 07:27 AM   #2
aussiem3
Lieutenant Colonel
 
aussiem3's Avatar
 
Drives: Goggomobil
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Kangaroo land

Posts: 1,538
iTrader: (1)

Garage List
2014 BMW X5 30d  [0.00]
2007 E92 M3  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by W/// View Post
Looks pretty good to me. I saw that some other guys had really high lead content. I'm the second owner of the car, bought it at 57k miles. Did my first oil change right at 60k with Liqui Moly 10W60 and MANN filter. Will test oil again in 7500 miles.
What's the benefit of a low lead count?
__________________

2007 E92 6MT - Silverstone II with /// Performance Exhaust with ACM Test Pipes and BPM Sport Stage II Dev-Tune - Proper engine warm up, 12-monthly oil change, Castrol TWS 10w-60
2014 F15 X5 3.0d
aussiem3 is offline   Australia
0
Reply With Quote
      03-23-2013, 10:03 AM   #3
W///
Brigadier General
 
W///'s Avatar
 
Drives: 2008 E92 M3/1999 E36 M3 Coupe
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: SC

Posts: 4,704
iTrader: (11)

Quote:
Originally Posted by aussiem3 View Post
What's the benefit of a low lead count?
I'm by no means an expert, but I believe high lead count means bearing issues. Always a scary thought
__________________
2008 E92 M3: Sparkling Graphite | Bamboo Beige | 6MT | CF Roof | HRE | Eisenmann | BPM Sport | Swift | Arkym | Mode Carbon | M.Perf
W/// is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      03-23-2013, 04:05 PM   #4
Richbot
Lieutenant Colonel
 
Drives: Jerez Black E90
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: STL

Posts: 1,999
iTrader: (2)

Interesting there is no moly in liqui-moly
__________________
Richbot is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      03-23-2013, 05:04 PM   #5
aussiem3
Lieutenant Colonel
 
aussiem3's Avatar
 
Drives: Goggomobil
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Kangaroo land

Posts: 1,538
iTrader: (1)

Garage List
2014 BMW X5 30d  [0.00]
2007 E92 M3  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by W/// View Post
I'm by no means an expert, but I believe high lead count means bearing issues. Always a scary thought
Thank you. That's a good sign.
__________________

2007 E92 6MT - Silverstone II with /// Performance Exhaust with ACM Test Pipes and BPM Sport Stage II Dev-Tune - Proper engine warm up, 12-monthly oil change, Castrol TWS 10w-60
2014 F15 X5 3.0d
aussiem3 is offline   Australia
0
Reply With Quote
      03-25-2013, 05:27 PM   #6
ec_E92
Enginerd
 
Drives: another AW
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: cbus, oh

Posts: 289
iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by W/// View Post
Looks pretty good to me. I saw that some other guys had really high lead content. I'm the second owner of the car, bought it at 57k miles. Did my first oil change right at 60k with Liqui Moly 10W60 and MANN filter. Will test oil again in 7500 miles.
Results look good and similar to mine. I started using LM 10w60 for interval changes at 30k, and then exclusively every 7500 after 50k. I'm at 65k now and have been very happy with this oil.

PS. Love Sparkling Graphite

__________________
2008 E92 AW 6MT ///eibach's///ARC-8///Muffler Delete
ec_E92 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      03-25-2013, 05:31 PM   #7
Vic311
Banned
 
Drives: 2011 e92 M3
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: NY

Posts: 1,469
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Richbot View Post
Interesting there is no moly in liqui-moly
Vic311 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      03-25-2013, 05:34 PM   #8
PhillyNate
ENTHUSIAST
 
PhillyNate's Avatar
 
Drives: 2014 Toyota GT-86
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Philadelphia

Posts: 2,027
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
I top off with this stuff and swear by it! Won't use anything but when a little low. Car has almost totally stopped consuming oil. Great stuff and is an approved oil in Europe as I understand.
__________________

"what I'm driving here...is an ending." Jeremy Clarkson
2014 Whiteout Toyota GT-86 6mt(Presently enjoying WAY more than anticipated)
2011 Alpine White BMW M3 6mt ZCP Coupe(forced retirement 06/06/14)
2008 Alpine White BMW 328i 6mt Coupe(retired 06/21/11
)
PhillyNate is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      03-25-2013, 05:47 PM   #9
thekurgan
Bad Lieutenant
 
thekurgan's Avatar
 
Drives: E90M3
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Sacramento

Posts: 2,686
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2008 BMW M3  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richbot View Post
Interesting there is no moly in liqui-moly
I think their 10w-40 has moly within it.
__________________

08 E90M3 6MT Alpinweiss/Carbon/BMW Pedals/Dinan Exhaust/Rattle fixes
thekurgan is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      03-25-2013, 07:24 PM   #10
Radiation Joe
Veni Vidi Vici
 
Radiation Joe's Avatar
 
Drives: '11 JB/BBe-6sp-e90
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Macungie PA

Posts: 2,749
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2011 e90 M3-Sold  [4.25]
2003 RS6 - Sold  [0.00]
2009 e90 M3 - Gone  [0.00]
2003 M3 SOLD  [0.00]
old 2002  [5.00]
If you want Molybdenum in your oil get Redline ...

__________________

Dinan compliment of stuff plus PF rotors and RG63s. Enough for now.
Why, yes. I am an abrasive bastard.
Radiation Joe is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      03-25-2013, 08:02 PM   #11
Richbot
Lieutenant Colonel
 
Drives: Jerez Black E90
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: STL

Posts: 1,999
iTrader: (2)

Your analysis was what I was thinking of, I use their sae 30 and 20 in my racecar engines and it looks better on the reports than that liqui-moly, apples and oranges of course
__________________
Richbot is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      03-26-2013, 09:01 AM   #12
ms372
White Shark
 
ms372's Avatar
 
Drives: AW E92 m3 6MT
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Montreal

Posts: 905
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Richbot View Post
Interesting there is no moly in liqui-moly
+1
__________________
ESS | Challenge x-pipe | Akrapovic | Stoptech BBK (380/355) |Ohlins R&T | Dinan | Vorsteiner | Downforce USA | Varis Diffuser | Gintani | UUC | BMW Performance | Macht Schnell | Forgestar F14's SDC 19x9.5F 19x11R | 255.35 295.30

ms372 is offline   Canada
0
Reply With Quote
      03-26-2013, 03:19 PM   #13
M3PO
Colonel
 
M3PO's Avatar
 
Drives: '08 IB E92
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: OC

Posts: 2,721
iTrader: (6)

I have been seeing lead levels of about 4 times what you have running Castrol for 7.5 to 8k miles. I think I am going to switch at the next change to see if that brings the bearing wear into check.

Regarding the moly, IIRC, I think moly is sort of an "old school" oil additive. As in it was a popular additive in the past. That may be where they got their name but have since moved on to new oil formulations.
__________________
2008 IB E92 M3| BBS | KW | Arkym | Platte Forme A.G. | Active Autowerke | K&N | Fabspeed | Dinan | Evolve-R
M3PO is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      03-26-2013, 08:12 PM   #14
Richbot
Lieutenant Colonel
 
Drives: Jerez Black E90
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: STL

Posts: 1,999
iTrader: (2)

TWS, for comparison:
Attached Images
 
__________________

Last edited by Richbot; 03-26-2013 at 08:29 PM.
Richbot is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      03-28-2013, 07:12 AM   #15
W///
Brigadier General
 
W///'s Avatar
 
Drives: 2008 E92 M3/1999 E36 M3 Coupe
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: SC

Posts: 4,704
iTrader: (11)

Quote:
Originally Posted by M3PO View Post
I have been seeing lead levels of about 4 times what you have running Castrol for 7.5 to 8k miles. I think I am going to switch at the next change to see if that brings the bearing wear into check.

Regarding the moly, IIRC, I think moly is sort of an "old school" oil additive. As in it was a popular additive in the past. That may be where they got their name but have since moved on to new oil formulations.
Doesn't seem like TWS has that much of it either. The V10 guys seem to love this stuff, so I thought it was definitely worth a try. Best price I found at the time was at BavAuto. Got myself 4 jugs + filter for around
$180 (and free shipping)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Richbot View Post
TWS, for comparison:
Thanks, good to know. I'm going to stick to LM for a while.
__________________
2008 E92 M3: Sparkling Graphite | Bamboo Beige | 6MT | CF Roof | HRE | Eisenmann | BPM Sport | Swift | Arkym | Mode Carbon | M.Perf
W/// is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      03-28-2013, 10:48 AM   #16
thekurgan
Bad Lieutenant
 
thekurgan's Avatar
 
Drives: E90M3
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Sacramento

Posts: 2,686
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2008 BMW M3  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by M3PO View Post
I have been seeing lead levels of about 4 times what you have running Castrol for 7.5 to 8k miles. I think I am going to switch at the next change to see if that brings the bearing wear into check.

Regarding the moly, IIRC, I think moly is sort of an "old school" oil additive. As in it was a popular additive in the past. That may be where they got their name but have since moved on to new oil formulations.
Seems like moly is being used more and more since ZDDP's used less in motor oil.
__________________

08 E90M3 6MT Alpinweiss/Carbon/BMW Pedals/Dinan Exhaust/Rattle fixes
thekurgan is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      03-28-2013, 06:38 PM   #17
M3PO
Colonel
 
M3PO's Avatar
 
Drives: '08 IB E92
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: OC

Posts: 2,721
iTrader: (6)

Quote:
Originally Posted by thekurgan View Post
Seems like moly is being used more and more since ZDDP's used less in motor oil.
Yeah, now that you mention it, it's ZDDP that I was thinking of.
__________________
2008 IB E92 M3| BBS | KW | Arkym | Platte Forme A.G. | Active Autowerke | K&N | Fabspeed | Dinan | Evolve-R
M3PO is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      03-28-2013, 08:51 PM   #18
ec_E92
Enginerd
 
Drives: another AW
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: cbus, oh

Posts: 289
iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by W/// View Post
Doesn't seem like TWS has that much of it either. The V10 guys seem to love this stuff, so I thought it was definitely worth a try. Best price I found at the time was at BavAuto. Got myself 4 jugs + filter for around
$180 (and free shipping)
If you watch their specials they sometimes give away free filters for each 5L jug of oil. I've been able to accumulate a stockpile of filters (2 filters free for a 10L oil change). Then oil changes are under $100
__________________
2008 E92 AW 6MT ///eibach's///ARC-8///Muffler Delete
ec_E92 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:33 PM.




m3post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST