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      03-21-2013, 11:47 AM   #23
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From the BMW financial reports recently released.


Attachment 833678
interesting facts about above figures

E90 outsold F30 in its first year by 30% (not good news)
5 series station outsells the 5GT (thank god!)
3 times as many E90 sold as the E92
2 times as many E91 sold as the E93
F10 kicking the E60s ass (which proves E60 was butt ugly)
almost 50/50 split between coupe 6 series and convertible
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      03-21-2013, 11:52 AM   #24
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interesting facts about above figures

E90 outsold F30 in its first year by 30% (not good news)
5 series station outsells the 5GT (thank god!)
3 times as many E90 sold as the E92
2 times as many E91 sold as the E93
F10 kicking the E60s ass (which proves E60 was butt ugly)
almost 50/50 split between coupe 6 series and convertible
THat first year was the same with the e46 transition to e90, for example there was no xdrive the first year of the F30 which dominates the RWD in the northeast.

So the more recent sales are more representative of the F30. Also in mid late '11 to early '12 they were unloading e90s, I was offered lease deals as low as $199-249 a month.
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      03-21-2013, 11:55 AM   #25
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THat first year was the same with the e46 transition to e90, for example there was no xdrive the first year of the F30 which dominates the RWD in the northeast.

So the more recent sales are more representative of the F30. Also in mid late '11 to early '12 they were unloading e90s, I was offered lease deals as low as $199-249 a month.
i'm sure there is a reason whey they launched the 320 in the states...
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      03-21-2013, 12:16 PM   #26
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interesting facts about above figures

E90 outsold F30 in its first year by 30% (not good news)
5 series station outsells the 5GT (thank god!)
3 times as many E90 sold as the E92
2 times as many E91 sold as the E93
F10 kicking the E60s ass (which proves E60 was butt ugly)
almost 50/50 split between coupe 6 series and convertible
While styling likely played a part, the biggest reason why the F10 is selling much better than the E60 is because it reaches a broader consumer base. It's not like the the E60 sold poorly. We've all seen the complaints, "BMW sold out to appeal to the Lexus crowd". And I think if you ask people now what they think about the E60 design, there's going to be a good amount who appreciate the Bangle design now because it represented what the E60 was (a sport saloon) vs. the F10 where the design tells you exactly what it's focus is on.
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The demographics dictates the sales. BMW is during well because of the baby boomer generation ability to spend more. The 5 series benefits from this generation wanting more than the 3 series. The single urban professionals are loving the 328, 335, X3, M3 and M5.

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i'm sure there is a reason whey they launched the 320 in the states...
The figures do not have US 320 sales yet. The numbers will go up a fair bit once dealers have in stock 320s.
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i wonder how many diesel models BMW sells.
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i wonder how many diesel models BMW sells.
I dont think it was until recently that they were allowed to be sold here in califronia.. I'm pretty sure they were available in other states tho. I'm curious as well.
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.. I imagine anticipation of a new body would see to sales drop? regarding E92 drop in sales
I meant historically on the 3 Coupe slide. They've sold less and less since 2007. I guess, as someone else said, the 3 is tilting toward a younger demographic who need the sedan for utility and convenience.
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I read recently that the combined A4 and A5 global sales figure was 433,000 for 2012. That is actually higher than all 3 series models combined!

No wonder BMW is snatching up the Audi sales chief.
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I read recently that the combined A4 and A5 global sales figure was 433,000 for 2012. That is actually higher than all 3 series models combined!

No wonder BMW is snatching up the Audi sales chief.
Really? Source?

Us sales were higher of the 3 than the a4/5, odd that it would be that different globally.
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5er close run with the 3er and outselling one year - here if you look at a 320d vs 520d, to get them to the same spec, the 320d was costing more than the 520d - 520d is a bargain (don't let BMW know though).
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Really? Source?

Us sales were higher of the 3 than the a4/5, odd that it would be that different globally.
It's from a blog run by a guy by the name of Mark Wan.

http://www.autozine.org/0_News/Archi...ews_frame.html

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Observation 8: at 433,000 units, the combined sales of Audi A4 and A5 has probably overtaken BMW 3-Series by now. Q5 is now its third best selling model. A1 is doing well at 123,000 units. Aging TT dropped below A7, while R8 remains rare at 2,241 units, i.e. only a tenth of Porsche 911.

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Note: many people asked me how I get production/sales data. The answer is to read annual reports of manufacturers (like this), going through hundreds of pages and doing some calculation if necessary. There is no short-cut.
Granted it's not a grade A source, but this guy follows the auto industry with the enthusiasm of a 12 year old. I'm guessing even if the A4+A5 sales didn't surpass the 3er, it has come pretty close at least.
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I read recently that the combined A4 and A5 global sales figure was 433,000 for 2012. That is actually higher than all 3 series models combined!

No wonder BMW is snatching up the Audi sales chief.
A4 & A5 combined did outsell the 3 series range. Once the 3GT and the 4GC are launched, and there is a full year of F31 sales, I'd imagine BMW to be in the lead.


A4 & A5 sales 2012
431,413 Including:

A4 Saloon......... 216,012
A4 Avant.......... 93,820
A4 Allroad......... 13,827
A5 Sportback..... 53,522
A5 Coupe.......... 34,742
A5 Cabriolet...... 19,490
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1er 5 door vs 3 door is enormous!
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A4 Saloon......... 216,012
A4 Avant.......... 93,820
A4 Allroad......... 13,827
A5 Sportback..... 53,522
A5 Coupe.......... 34,742
A5 Cabriolet...... 19,490
That right there is why we now have the 3GT
Ignore what anyone else from BMW says
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In socal you see so many 6 series 30-40 percent of the production probably comes here.
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A4 Saloon......... 216,012
A4 Avant.......... 93,820
A4 Allroad......... 13,827
A5 Sportback..... 53,522
A5 Coupe.......... 34,742
A5 Cabriolet...... 19,490
That right there is why we now have the 3GT
Ignore what anyone else from BMW says
In so much as it demonstrates that people are looking for models othen than a saloon/sedan and estate/tourer/avant. BMW are covering this threat off well because they will offer the 4 gran coupe to appeal the the 4 door coupe crowd (that buy the A5 sport back) and something more practical and less dull than the tourer in the 3GT. I think I'm right in saying that the A5 sport back is less practical than the A4, meaning that many people may not actually be cross-shopping it with the 3Gt anyway.
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wow, you can really see the 2007 recession impact as experienced across all auto makers.
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In so much as it demonstrates that people are looking for models othen than a saloon/sedan and estate/tourer/avant. BMW are covering this threat off well because they will offer the 4 gran coupe to appeal the the 4 door coupe crowd (that buy the A5 sport back) and something more practical and less dull than the tourer in the 3GT. I think I'm right in saying that the A5 sport back is less practical than the A4, meaning that many people may not actually be cross-shopping it with the 3Gt anyway.
my main issue is as long as you are following someone else
you will never be a leader, or a winner

i'm genuinely worried about BMW
everything they do now is following in Audi's foot steps
the whole m135i etc is basically what audi does with their S line
the 3/4 series is basically what audi did with the A4/A5

the only thing of note that they are doing is focusing on carbon fiber, but that's more a long term thing.
i'm not convinced the i3/i8 will amount to much
and i'm sure those cost a lot to develop
meanwhile i see less and less focus on the "ultimate driving machine" thing
with the electric power steering, turbocharging etc
you can't be all things to all people
if you cater to every single tiny little niche of a market
you are over extending yourself, and something will break
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