M3 big brother beats DOWN the 2012 GT-R

[DiavelM3]

Originally Posted by Team Plutonium

Deadline was today, but you made it... dumbest post of the week.

[KKM3]

Originally Posted by Sakred

Yeah but why would you buy the slower of the 2 cars in your 100k budget? GTR>GT3 any day of the week. I too was deciding between the two and went with the faster, newer, and less common option.

Gtr is faster no doubt, does that make gtr>gt3? Hell no. Not everyone buys a car based on how fast it accelerates alone, and doesn't make it any better of a car. Like i said in a previous post, there's no denying what the gtr is capable of especially at its price point, Doesn't make it the car for me.

I don't like big cars and I don't like forced induction. It's really hard to find a very fast, highrevving, nice car that can keep up with the likes of a gtr and Porsche turbo for under a 100k. I stretched my budget a bit and couldn't be happier.

[ms372]

i love how when u mention any other car in an m3 forum you get people from every other forum defending their cars lol... i wonder if m3/m6/m5 guys go to other forums and do the same .

[Onurleft]

It is really a question of gearing. Did the GTR jump hard, let off then get back on it??

The reality is, that M6 could be making something like 530whp/500wt stock, has a 7 speed dual clutch, and has an additional 200RPM suggesting a broad power band up top. Both have excellent gearing and make power until redline, but the GTR's 3.70 gear allows it to be in 4th gear by 99mph. The M6 doesn't hit 4th until 105-110.
To me, this would suggest the GTR would simply jump out and stay out until it got to it's wider ratios post 100-110mph.

As far as dig racing and trap speeds you can't really argue a point with that and use it as a concrete fact. They are variables, in the sense that the conditions, driver, tires, track prep vary.
What is fact, is the GTR hooks up and the M6 does not from a dig. Both cars have trapped low 120's in the 1/4, albeit the M6 doing it while only powering two wheels through the 1/8th mile.

[mattixxg]

Hmm..im considering making an acct for m6 forums...but can someone ask that clown MiroE90/DreamerM6 to PLEASE show up at either one of these events?

Once again: - http://www.tx2k.com/ -- etc or any SILV (Supras Invade Las Vegas).

MiroE90...one of the BIGGEST trash talkers is driving a 335i.

Rimola of NAGTROC is ready to go for ANY M5s or M6s.

http://www.gtrlife.com/forums/topic/...r/page__st__20


"Lol BMW for the fail. I drive a GT-R, i have nothing to prove. If anyone with a M5 or M6 (old or new) wants me to tax that ass, please email me at:

imola1518@gmail.com

My email is listed above, so no need to waste your time registering on here. PS. Dont forget your bluetooth and sunglasses. "

Let your M6 counterparts know.
I will be following this thread very closely.

[buildbright]

Originally Posted by 997GT3

You're kidding, right? Do you understand I have owned three GTRs?
Do you understand I have tested each one of them over and over again using a Vbox?
Do you grasp the fact that I have repeatedly had better times than a launched M6 without using LC. These are consistent. A nonlaunched 2012 and beyond GTR will be in the mid to high 3s to 60. Will consistently take 4 seconds to go from 60-100. These are better than an M6.
Does an M6 do better up high? Yes but it will take a quarter mile before you start seeing it. But my gripe is showing an M6 pulling down low (ie its not representative of M6 versus GTR performance).

A piece of advice: try and avoid ad hom

How many New M6's have you Vboxed? Have you raced a new M6 on the street?

[M3 Esq.]

[997GT3]

Originally Posted by buildbright

How many New M6's have you Vboxed? Have you raced a new M6 on the street?

Nope. Have you? Or a GTR?
At least I have lots and lots of experience with the Nissan. And I have lots of experience with the engine in the new M6.
BTW, I don't street race. Its stupid.

[buildbright]

Originally Posted by 997GT3

Nope. Have you? Or a GTR?
At least I have lots and lots of experience with the Nissan. And I have lots of experience with the engine in the new M6.
BTW, I don't street race. Its stupid.

No I haven't but I am not saying its impossible because it's not the car I own. So where do you do your Vbox testing?

So since you have experience with the S63 you know it's more powerful.

[997GT3]

Originally Posted by buildbright

No I haven't but I am not saying its impossible because it's not the car I own. So where do you do your Vbox testing?

So since you have experience with the S63 you know it's more powerful.

I do Vbox stuff by myself out on desolate stretches of wide open country roads. I have three basic rules for high speed runs on public roads:
1)no passengers
2)no other cars within sight
3)know the road

The engine in the M6 is barely more powerful than the V6 in the Nissan but the GTR is lighter, more aerodynamic, has tighter gearing and is all-wheel drive.

[buildbright]

Originally Posted by 997GT3

I do Vbox stuff by myself out on desolate stretches of wide open country roads. I have three basic rules for high speed runs on public roads:
1)no passengers
2)no other cars within sight
3)know the road

The engine in the M6 is barely more powerful than the V6 in the Nissan but the GTR is lighter, more aerodynamic, has tighter gearing and is all-wheel drive.

Then you do race on the street and you don't know as much about the M6 engine as you lead on because it is way underrated. You just recite only the specs that suit your needs.

The Nissan GTR is a great car but it's not god. You can make other cars faster in a straight line that cost less. I can buy a 2013 GT500 put drag radials, a pully and a canned tune on it and make you look silly. But it proves nothing and the GT500 would get owned in a corner by a 37k Camaro.

[Falcao]

Originally Posted by 997GT3

You're kidding, right? Do you understand I have owned three GTRs?
Do you understand I have tested each one of them over and over again using a Vbox?
Do you grasp the fact that I have repeatedly had better times than a launched M6 without using LC. These are consistent. A nonlaunched 2012 and beyond GTR will be in the mid to high 3s to 60. Will consistently take 4 seconds to go from 60-100. These are better than an M6.
Does an M6 do better up high? Yes but it will take a quarter mile before you start seeing it. But my gripe is showing an M6 pulling down low (ie its not representative of M6 versus GTR performance).

A piece of advice: try and avoid ad hom

Why would i be kidding. You seem to know how the GTR will beat M6 without ever racing both together same day under same track but you discount video of what you see. Irrelevant how many GTRs you own or have driven. How many F13 M6 have you driven, owned and vboxed? You need vbox of both cars to compare no?

At least i am able to get you to concede high speed GTR is going to be in some trouble which it always is against similar cars. I will end the conversation with you because your untouchable 12 GTR can never be beaten by M6 based on your own facts but a video of what you see is irrelevant. You're incorrigible!

[Optherion]

Originally Posted by Garissimo

No. Again, where are people getting this notion? Are the two extra doors and windows on the M5 are made of weight-canceling transparent aluminum?

The m5 is both heavier and slower. The actual tested weights for the two cars are shown in the link below.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...t-laps-feature

M5: 4425
M6: 4219

I also posted the link to the heads up drag race between the two. Not surprisingly, the M6 is two tenths and 2mph faster in the 1/4 mile.

Im referring to the M6 convertible in weight. 4490 pounds.
2013 BMW M6 Convertible 0-60 mph 3.9 Quarter Mile 12.1

I highly doubt the m6 coupe is an entire second faster putting it paced with a GT-R. It would need to pull off a 10.8 to tie. LOL. If you want to negate the 1/4 mile time and say from 60-120 I would expect the GT-R to still pull maybe 1 car length.

[UR not fast 'till 600]

Originally Posted by 997GT3

Seven posts in and you are looking to make so many friends.
How much is a Turbo S again?

Don't need any more friends . . .

The GTR is the modern automotive equivalent of the early '70's Kawasaki 500 Mach III two stroke. Went like hell in a straight line, but most good riders preferred the Norton.

And seven whole posts? Must be spending too much time here.

[997GT3]

Originally Posted by buildbright

Then you do race on the street and you don't know as much about the M6 engine as you lead on because it is way underrated. You just recite only the specs that suit your needs.

The Nissan GTR is a great car but it's not god. You can make other cars faster in a straight line that cost less. I can buy a 2013 GT500 put drag radials, a pully and a canned tune on it and make you look silly. But it proves nothing and the GT500 would get owned in a corner by a 37k Camaro.

Really? It underrated? you base that on what exactly? Why does review after review have it slower than a GTR. Why when I owned an X6M was the performance significant worse than advertised? Why did both Chris Harris and Autocar flat out say the GTR is in another league than the new M5 in performance?
And I have never said the GTR is god. So quit creating straw men. The GTR has plenty of flaws. It just that one its flaws isn't being pulled on by an M6 under 100.

[997GT3]

Originally Posted by BurnsKMoore

Don't need any more friends . . .

The GTR is the modern automotive equivalent of the early '70's Kawasaki 500 Mach III two stroke. Went like hell in a straight line, but most good riders preferred the Norton.

And seven whole posts? Must be spending too much time here.

Really? That's all the GTR is good at? You really don't know what you're talking about. And yes you are spending too much time here.

[997GT3]

Originally Posted by Falcao

Why would i be kidding. You seem to know how the GTR will beat M6 without ever racing both together same day under same track but you discount video of what you see. Irrelevant how many GTRs you own or have driven. How many F13 M6 have you driven, owned and vboxed? You need vbox of both cars to compare no?

At least i am able to get you to concede high speed GTR is going to be in some trouble which it always is against similar cars. I will end the conversation with you because your untouchable 12 GTR can never be beaten by M6 based on your own facts but a video of what you see is irrelevant. You're incorrigible!

That's funny. And how exactly can you pass any judgment let alone concede anything? Have you raced either? I know the GTR inside and out. I know the engine in an M6 inside and out.

[Endless619]

Originally Posted by Team Plutonium

I'm so tired of the term fanboys or even worse "fanbois". I will never understand this whining from either side. Who gives a shit? I destroy both cars, eat 458's and gallardos, but got recently owned by a Toyota Supra... we both popped the hoods and talked shop. Bottom line... there is always a faster car out there.

Agreed. Well said.

I just read this thread and I for one think Nissan cars are utter garbage. I owned a couple of their new Zs and they were just junk. I have been inside the Nissan GTR and the looks of the car are horrible and the inside was average to me. Now a lot of GTR owners will think I am crazy but I cannot get past the Nissan name. I have had to many horror stories with their products so I don't even look at them. Plus I have been in cars that would put bus lengths on a stock GTR..

If I am going to spend that type of money I will get something that will satisfy my needs and wants. ZR1 or R8 V10. So what if your Nissan is a little faster. In my mind I have the looks and speed I want. Nissan only has half the pie here.

This isn't a bash post on Nissan owners. Just my honest observation, experiences, etc..

As for the video, it appears the Nissan had some issues..Didnt seem like the owner was really pushing the Nissan. Who knows.

[buildbright]

Originally Posted by 997GT3

Really? It underrated? you base that on what exactly? Why does review after review have it slower than a GTR. Why when I owned an X6M was the performance significant worse than advertised? Why did both Chris Harris and Autocar flat out say the GTR is in another league than the new M5 in performance?
And I have never said the GTR is god. So quit creating straw men. The GTR has plenty of flaws. It just that one its flaws isn't being pulled on by an M6 under 100.

Yes really. Every posted dyno has proven and backed up this fact. Now when I read something several times by different resources I tend to believe it. The GTR is a superior handling car in all out numbers but it's also a car in which the computer controls everything. Hence why many people call it boring and a car for those without car racing skills. Now that Porsche you have is a better handling car as in being rewarding.

And guess what your GTR was pulled on, deal with it. Racing is not just specs on paper or we wouldn't need to test our cars.

[Vic311]

Are we still on this?

[Jasonseoguam]

lets end post here gtr > m6

[UR not fast 'till 600]

Originally Posted by 997GT3

That's funny. And how exactly can you pass any judgment let alone concede anything? Have you raced either? I know the GTR inside and out. I know the engine in an M6 inside and out.

Learned long ago not to argue with idiots and with your repetitious rhetoric that's what this has turned into. And yes this topic should end . . .

With your personal attacks, vitriolic eruptions and nothing more to add than "my cars faster than anything" everybody's spent too much time here.