Head AMG Chassis Engineer Joins BMW M to Lead Chassis and Powertrain Development - Page 2

Ascari · 02-04-2013, 05:42 PM

Depressing that BMW would consider this. AMG are for burn outs and sound and do not have the handling finesse and feel of M. If M is heading in the direction of AMG this is not good. This would be like the RS5 chief engineer being tasked with design of the next M3/4. No!

Hello Stuttgart...

eMvy · 02-04-2013, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 09BlkSapphire

Exactly. He could be a phenomenal engineer for all we know. But if the company that an engineer works for calls for a certain type of car, he's gotta work within those limits.

As an engineer, you are absolutely correct. Perhaps he's deviating from AMG to fulfill his desires, which are contrary to AMG's philosophy.

Staszek · 02-04-2013, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by eMvy

As an engineer, you are absolutely correct. Perhaps he's deviating from AMG to fulfill his desires, which are contrary to AMG's philosophy.

I agree, you can only design with what you are given, he does not create the AMG MB philosophy he does best to design cars that fit within those parameters.

Year's_End · 02-04-2013, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Propagator

What a bunch of clueless responses. The recent AMG products have been excellent. Some say the C63 AMG has an even better steering than the M3, and the E63 AMG recently beat out the M5 in C&D comparo. And all that is even before you get to the Black series.

So there was a news that BMW will introduce an AMG Black series competitor, and now they are snatching up the guy who was in charge of chassis engineering of the said Black series. BMW clearly doesn't agree with those of you in the "AMG SUCKS BECAUSE I DRIVE A BIMMMER" camp.

You're one of the few logical posters in this thread.

cs4444 · 02-04-2013, 06:03 PM

Some of these responses are ridiculous. The guy is an engineer end of story, and obviously a good one to have worked his way to the top of AMG. Just because he worked on making AMG cars doesn't mean that's all he knows how to engineer. He designed cars that fit AMG's corporate culture, which is different than BMW M's, but there is no reason he could not design a car that fits in BMW M's corporate culture, the magic BMW fairy doesn't have to visit you for you to work for BMW. You just have to understand what BMW mission is and work toward it. Its a full company effort to build a car, and everything gets approved by the board of directors...no one worker can change that.

Class-of-2013 · 02-04-2013, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by eMvy

As an engineer, you are absolutely correct. Perhaps he's deviating from AMG to fulfill his desires, which are contrary to AMG's philosophy.

+1

nachob · 02-04-2013, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by davem3fan

It doesn't seem to me that BMW M will benefit from AMG philosophy/influence...

Not a fan of their chassis development. ///M has usually better in this respect. IMO

bimmer Don · 02-04-2013, 06:06 PM

The new m models like the m5 and m6 are the same as Amg big power heavy and burn tires so I see nothing changing

3581512 · 02-04-2013, 06:07 PM

Definitely sounds like a spy for Benz

AMG is known for having lackluster track performance, looks like they're trying to correct that through espionage

red-sauerkraut · 02-04-2013, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by CSanto

A guy like this definitely has a non-compete.

That means nothing when you know how to get around it. NCA's are worthless anyways, when you have great legal counsel. They have to prove itl, and that's never going to happen in the first place.

odiesback · 02-04-2013, 06:32 PM

When a company is flushed with cash from breaking record profits and sells like BMW they will start to tinker with all kinds of crazy ideas...

piloto · 02-04-2013, 06:42 PM

AMG's have had great chassis and powetrains over the last few year. This guy will fit right in at BMW M. I for one am glad he's joining the ranks. I just hope AMG's replacement for him is good too, as I would hate to see the overall segment lose its luster.

Jblack4083 · 02-04-2013, 06:45 PM

Maybe we'll get our NA engines back.

techwhiz · 02-04-2013, 06:52 PM

I'm a chip design engineer.
Just because I design a type of chip for my current employer does not mean I can't design a different chip for someone else.

I don't see how this is any different.

Ibracadabra · 02-04-2013, 06:56 PM

M has better handling so let's throw in an amg chassis director to help us out. Seems illogical but maybe he can bring something beneficial to the table.

Ibracadabra · 02-04-2013, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by red-sauerkraut

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Originally Posted by CSanto

A guy like this definitely has a non-compete.

That means nothing when you know how to get around it. NCA's are worthless anyways, when you have great legal counsel. They have to prove itl, and that's never going to happen in the first place.

Exactly.

pokerface · 02-04-2013, 07:06 PM

goes hand in hand with this

http://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=798813

BMWFB02 · 02-04-2013, 07:21 PM

I don't understand why would he be the head? He can be a great additive to the team but not necessarily needed or coming to save them from an impending doom called the M division continuous success!

shivaswrath · 02-04-2013, 07:56 PM

Now well see some real power!! Woot nice job wooing him BMW :-)

antzcrashing · 02-04-2013, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ManiacGT

But merc/AMGs only go sideways while shredding tyres don't they?

hahahaha that is awesome

reminds me of like every top gear

bigtracing · 02-04-2013, 08:26 PM

This concreats my descion on keeping my m forever! Amg mercs dont do anything for me I dont like the ride or handling its nothing like my m. And for example an e550 is a twin turbo v8 and onlydoes a +5 0_60 thats terrible thats slower then a sti which is only 30k

AKRAPOVICOWNS · 02-04-2013, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Propagator

What a bunch of clueless responses. The recent AMG products have been excellent. Some say the C63 AMG has an even better steering than the M3, and the E63 AMG recently beat out the M5 in C&D comparo. And all that is even before you get to the Black series.

So there was a news that BMW will introduce an AMG Black series competitor, and now they are snatching up the guy who was in charge of chassis engineering of the said Black series. BMW clearly doesn't agree with those of you in the "AMG SUCKS BECAUSE I DRIVE A BIMMMER" camp.

Couldnt agree more, i dunno what those guys are smoking, but lately AMG products have proven to be more driver oriented than those fat ass M's of late, not to mention black series products and the SLS, which BMW doesnt even have a product to compete with in the first place.

And he will work around M's philosphy for sure, and as an engineer he must be a great one to have worked his way up on AMG, which lets not forget, also supplies engines for some great cars, like pagani.

People saying that AMG cars of late can only go fast in a straight line def lives in a cave or are too biased.

Great addition to BMWs M division, in fact, IMHO couldnt be a better addition.

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02-04-2013, 05:42 PM	#23
Ascari Second Lieutenant Drives: '11 AW 1M - 08 X3 MSport 3.0D Join Date: May 2011 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 246 iTrader: (0)	Depressing that BMW would consider this. AMG are for burn outs and sound and do not have the handling finesse and feel of M. If M is heading in the direction of AMG this is not good. This would be like the RS5 chief engineer being tasked with design of the next M3/4. No! Hello Stuttgart...

02-04-2013, 06:03 PM	#27
cs4444 Private Drives: BMW Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 81 iTrader: (0)	Some of these responses are ridiculous. The guy is an engineer end of story, and obviously a good one to have worked his way to the top of AMG. Just because he worked on making AMG cars doesn't mean that's all he knows how to engineer. He designed cars that fit AMG's corporate culture, which is different than BMW M's, but there is no reason he could not design a car that fits in BMW M's corporate culture, the magic BMW fairy doesn't have to visit you for you to work for BMW. You just have to understand what BMW mission is and work toward it. Its a full company effort to build a car, and everything gets approved by the board of directors...no one worker can change that.

02-04-2013, 06:06 PM	#30
bimmer Don Enlisted Member Drives: 2012 135i m sport Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: san berdardino Posts: 43 iTrader: (0)	The new m models like the m5 and m6 are the same as Amg big power heavy and burn tires so I see nothing changing

02-04-2013, 06:07 PM	#31
3581512 Enlisted Member Drives: F30 Jet Black 328i Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Here Posts: 39 iTrader: (0)	Definitely sounds like a spy for Benz AMG is known for having lackluster track performance, looks like they're trying to correct that through espionage

02-04-2013, 06:42 PM	#34
piloto Captain Drives: 2011 E90 M3 - AW/FR Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 832 iTrader: (0)	AMG's have had great chassis and powetrains over the last few year. This guy will fit right in at BMW M. I for one am glad he's joining the ranks. I just hope AMG's replacement for him is good too, as I would hate to see the overall segment lose its luster.

02-04-2013, 06:45 PM	#35
Jblack4083 Captain Drives: E46 ///M3 JB/CB Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Queens, NYC Posts: 671 iTrader: (0)	Maybe we'll get our NA engines back.

02-04-2013, 06:52 PM	#36
techwhiz Captain Drives: e90 335i Sedan Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Bay Area, Ca Posts: 841 iTrader: (1)	I'm a chip design engineer. Just because I design a type of chip for my current employer does not mean I can't design a different chip for someone else. I don't see how this is any different.

02-04-2013, 06:56 PM	#37
Ibracadabra New Member Drives: 2010 335i Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: New Jersey Posts: 21 iTrader: (0)	M has better handling so let's throw in an amg chassis director to help us out. Seems illogical but maybe he can bring something beneficial to the table.

02-04-2013, 08:26 PM	#43
bigtracing Private Drives: 2008 ///M3 Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: CT Posts: 80 iTrader: (1)	This concreats my descion on keeping my m forever! Amg mercs dont do anything for me I dont like the ride or handling its nothing like my m. And for example an e550 is a twin turbo v8 and onlydoes a +5 0_60 thats terrible thats slower then a sti which is only 30k