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      02-05-2013, 12:55 AM   #1
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Dealers willing to deal....

This question is more for the Washington guys.

Any of the BMW dealers actually willing to deal? The Oregon dealers, Portland especially, don't have any concept of negotiation. They act like they're doing you a favor taking $500 off MSRP.

My fiance and I are looking to lease an X5 for her, but I've given up on trying to deal with the local dealers. I'll go to SoCal if I need to, just to spite the goons around here. We seem to go through a car a year between the two of us. However, we've always avoided BMW simply because I can't deal with the local dealers.

Any suggestions are appreciated.
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Same exact experiences here. It's pretty damn annoying and not only will they not deal, they mark up money factors on leases. Beware that little asshat trick. Customer service is excellent at both Seattle and Bellevue but I think they're in cahoots together on not budging on price. You can get a decent price at BMW Salem but I hear they are a pretty bad dealership overall. I've heard good stuff about Jim Mannheimer down there if you're interested.
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Yeah call bmw of salem and ask for Jim - he will be up front with you.
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Same in WA. When I bought my car, the salesman made it seem like it was doing me a "favor" by giving me a discount. It wasn't much of a discount. The excuse was other states can't move their cars while WA can so they can sell at MSPR.

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This question is more for the Washington guys.

Any of the BMW dealers actually willing to deal? The Oregon dealers, Portland especially, don't have any concept of negotiation. They act like they're doing you a favor taking $500 off MSRP.

My fiance and I are looking to lease an X5 for her, but I've given up on trying to deal with the local dealers. I'll go to SoCal if I need to, just to spite the goons around here. We seem to go through a car a year between the two of us. However, we've always avoided BMW simply because I can't deal with the local dealers.

Any suggestions are appreciated.
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BMW Northwest in Fife is your best bet. They offered me well below MSRP (600 below invoice) on an X1 lease I was considering. I was working with Mark Rauschert, their internet manager.

Use bmwconfig.com to figure out what invoice is, and negotiate from there.
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BMW Northwest in Fife is your best bet. They offered me well below MSRP (600 below invoice) on an X1 lease I was considering. I was working with Mark Rauschert, their internet manager.

Use bmwconfig.com to figure out what invoice is, and negotiate from there.
Thanks, I'll contact them.

I've been doing the bmwconfig thing. The Portland dealers scoffed at the BMW lease specials because they had to sell the car for like $1200 off MSRP for the deal. They pushed really hard to make me not interested in those deals. All I did was ask about them and I got that reaction.
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BMW Northwest in Fife is your best bet. They offered me well below MSRP (600 below invoice) on an X1 lease I was considering. I was working with Mark Rauschert, their internet manager.

Use bmwconfig.com to figure out what invoice is, and negotiate from there.
dayum that's crazy. We got $500 off MSRP on our X1 lease, although it was on the lot and we needed to buy.
I'm going to Fife next time.
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dayum that's crazy. We got $500 off MSRP on our X1 lease, although it was on the lot and we needed to buy.
I'm going to Fife next time.
It was a good deal. I've found internet managers are willing to cut through the crap and sell things on volume rather than fewer sales at a higher price. If you come at them and say you want to make a quick deal at price X (shoot for 500-1000 below invoice) they are usually willing to play. End of the month is good, end of the year is even better. Dealers are trying to make quotas. Some models will be easier to negotiate on than others.

We ended up with a new WRX instead of the X1, since the payments were pretty much the same but with the WRX we get to keep the car instead of giving it back.
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I loathe puget sound auto dealers. They behave as if there is unlimited demand and very limited supply for their cars.

I doubt I will ever buy a car from in this region again. CA/TX/FL is where it's at if you ask me.
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With incentives I got my M3 for $500 under invoice from Bellevue. Use bmwconfig.com, then negotiate. Be firm but respectful. They need to move cars everyday.

Using internet managers is a good technique too.
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Mckenna BMW in Orange County leases and sells cars cheap...work with their internet dept. I got a 335i from them about 5 years ago dirt cheap. PNW dealers wouldn't touch it. I could have had it shipped to my front door for 5-600 bucks, but decided it would be much more fun to fly down there and drive it up the Cali coast back home. Was a terrific experience. Highly recommend it.
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Know exactly what you want.

I got my 335 from Hahn X over invoice and my M3 from Bellevue X over invoice as well.

Alvin at BMW Bellevue is a very straight shooter. Once him and I agreed on the dealer profit, he just gave me the order sheet and I built my car. Overall, very good experience.

No one is going to get my business by doing me a favor of ordering a car $500 below MSRP.

GL and keep us posted. Just don't get ripped off
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I got my 335 from Hahn X over invoice and my M3 from Bellevue X over invoice as well.

Alvin at BMW Bellevue is a very straight shooter. Once him and I agreed on the dealer profit, he just gave me the order sheet and I built my car. Overall, very good experience.
I shopped around for my euro delivery, also on a X above invoice basis. I knew exactly what I wanted. The big CA dealer on this forum was $600 over invoice, Alvin in Bellevue was $1K over and Fife was $1500 over.

Fife was a bunch of idiots who never took me seriously because I showed up in shorts in my wife's dirty Forester.

I went with Bellevue over CA because I couldn't make the trip from LA in under $400 and planning that trip would be a PITA, with the unknowns of euro-redelivery.

My experience with Alvin was very much so-so. He made me drive to Bellevue twice to sign paperwork (which is a pain for me on a weekday), forgot our appointment once and wasn't honest about it, and made me fill out a ton of BS forms I didn't need because I wasn't financing the car. And he refused to give me the M floor mats which, according to this forum, most dealers provide for euro-dev cars that don't get them.

At the end of the day, I'll very seriously consider CA next time. But I wouldn't necessarily avoid Bellevue either if it's more convenient for me.
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OP, I'm in the auto sales industry locally for a Honda/Acura dealer. I've got a friend and 2 former coworkers at BMW Northwest in Fife. I've found their sales department to be the easiest to work with thus far. Seattle is my destination for service.

If you're not already in contact with a dealer, PM me and I'll give you my friend's contact info at Northwest.
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anyone have any luck with finding some e92s i'm trying to get my hands on a 6spd one and an 08
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I shopped around for my euro delivery, also on a X above invoice basis. I knew exactly what I wanted. The big CA dealer on this forum was $600 over invoice, Alvin in Bellevue was $1K over and Fife was $1500 over.

Fife was a bunch of idiots who never took me seriously because I showed up in shorts in my wife's dirty Forester.

I went with Bellevue over CA because I couldn't make the trip from LA in under $400 and planning that trip would be a PITA, with the unknowns of euro-redelivery.

My experience with Alvin was very much so-so. He made me drive to Bellevue twice to sign paperwork (which is a pain for me on a weekday), forgot our appointment once and wasn't honest about it, and made me fill out a ton of BS forms I didn't need because I wasn't financing the car. And he refused to give me the M floor mats which, according to this forum, most dealers provide for euro-dev cars that don't get them.

At the end of the day, I'll very seriously consider CA next time. But I wouldn't necessarily avoid Bellevue either if it's more convenient for me.
I guess we all have different experiences.

The only form I ever filled was my order form (I also did not need financing), I changed my color option once and delivery date once as well and Alvin fixed it all up for me. He also made sure that my car did not get dealer prepped once it got redelivered.

When I am paying a certain profit to a dealer, I do not expect them to give me free bies...... Euro cars do come with floormats and I did not need an additional M mats.



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OP, I'm in the auto sales industry locally for a Honda/Acura dealer. I've got a friend and 2 former coworkers at BMW Northwest in Fife. I've found their sales department to be the easiest to work with thus far. Seattle is my destination for service.

If you're not already in contact with a dealer, PM me and I'll give you my friend's contact info at Northwest.
I had two experiences with them. One of them they try to sell me their demo M3 for MSRP and the 2nd time they told me that they are not interested in doing a Euro delivery...... I fail to see how you find them easiest to work with......

May be if you walk in there and pay MSRP for their demo cars????
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I had two experiences with them. One of them they try to sell me their demo M3 for MSRP and the 2nd time they told me that they are not interested in doing a Euro delivery...... I fail to see how you find them easiest to work with......

May be if you walk in there and pay MSRP for their demo cars????
Perhaps it helps that I'm in the industry and knew one of the sales people before going in. As mentioned, at this point I know 3 people that work there.

In all reality, no matter what dealer you contact/go to, you've got a small chance of running into someone who can provide the service you're looking for. I routinely go out car shopping just to make sure I'm on top of my game.

So, if OP would like to go to BMW Northwest, I know of someone there that can take great care of them.

Sounds like you've got someone at Bellevue who can do a great job.

I can even give a shout out to Knight at Seattle as he did a solid job when I purchased my '08 M3 there.
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that's strange because Alvin gave me a good deal and made the experience super easy for me.. (no extra forms or dealer add-on nonsense).. ofcourse he wasn't as good a deal as going through steve thomas bmw but driving down or shipping it back up would have costed about the same so I bought it from Alvin..
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If I have learned anything it is that there are good and bad stories for every dealership. It is all about making the right connection.....finding the right CA or sales manager for your needs. In my experience they will not move much on price unless they are convinced you have a better deal elsewhere.....even then some might not move. According to many forum members and at least one friend Jim M. in Salem is a get down to business type of sale with euro delivery. I bought from Kuni and had a great experience and price. I would like to think I could negotiate the same type of deal but am unsure. Good luck.
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BMW Northwest in Fife is your best bet. They offered me well below MSRP (600 below invoice) on an X1 lease I was considering. I was working with Mark Rauschert, their internet manager.

Use bmwconfig.com to figure out what invoice is, and negotiate from there.
Mark at BMW NW is great , he worked hard to get my order in ASAP. I even got an update at 10pm on Friday. Highly recommend. I landed a good deal with him $1200 over invoice on ED.
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Mark at BMW NW is great , he worked hard to get my order in ASAP. I even got an update at 10pm on Friday. Highly recommend. I landed a good deal with him $1200 over invoice on ED.
Sounds like things have changed compared to the $1500 over invoice and the not really knowing how ED works I experienced. Or you got lucky and found a good sales drone there. I would have probably taken the deal you got over the one I got from Bellevue.
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