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      04-04-2013, 07:18 PM   #1
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Beat a Camaro ZL1 in a stock m3?

Epic story.

So I was going home and was about to get on the highway and saw a ZL1 drive by as he was about to enter the highway too. I follow him and there were no cars in front or behind us so right as we got on the highway he takes the left lane and I take the right and we just hit it. The guy kept burning out and couldn't get traction from what it seemed and then before i know it we were going head on head going from 100mph to 145mph. Now I don't know if most of you will believe me, but I pulled on him for a good couple yards until my exit came up and I had to slow down. The thing is when I went off the exit I saw him roll down his window and he gave me the thumbs up, that's respect right there.

I know the ZL1s have 580hp and I have to idea how I "won" for that short amount of time (not knowing what would've happened if i kept going) but I did. Maybe the guy just slowed down after 130mph or maybe he missed a shift. I don't know but all I know is that was epic as f#*k.

What're some cars you guys have raced? I'd love to hear.
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      04-04-2013, 07:23 PM   #2
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C63 couple times, hit about 130mph, rolled down each others windows and give thumbs up.
I know that feels Now when I'm in my IS-F, it's a completely different/opposite story.

Anyways, I am gonna have to say maybe it's the matter of who had what gearbox?
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      04-04-2013, 07:28 PM   #3
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C63 couple times, hit about 130mph, rolled down each others windows and give thumbs up.
I know that feels Now when I'm in my IS-F, it's a completely different/opposite story.

Anyways, I am gonna have to say maybe it's the matter of who had what gearbox?
I don't know but it was epic
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Might have been a regular SS with the 1LE package, they look pretty similar to the ZL1 if you're not paying close attention on the outside they're a little slower than the M3 at high speeds

Or he was a terrible driver which sounds likely

The ZL1 convertible isn't as quick from 100-150 as the M3 (14.2 seconds for the M3 vs. 16.3 seconds according to C/D), so I guess anything's possible, the aero on the M3 is certainly much better
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Well it could have been he struggled to gain traction then aerodynamics and weight come into place and the ZL1 looks like it was aerodynamically designed by the same people who make little tikes and it is extremely obese having a nasty curb weight of 4100+ pounds so it could have had a bad time catching up because of the lack of traction. If he had traction he would have jumped horribly on a stock m3, i dont think it would be the same story from 130MPH-180MPH though, i think the M would have a slight advantage with its sleeker body and less weight it would beat it but it would be closer. Still i would not drive anything as obese as a camaro no matter if it had 100000000 HP its still a pig, i prefer a better driving experience.
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People beat others in faster cars all the time. although with all things equal, i would put my money on a Zl1 most of the time.
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Might have been a regular SS with the 1LE package, they look pretty similar to the ZL1 if you're not paying close attention on the outside they're a little slower than the M3 at high speeds

Or he was a terrible driver which sounds likely

The ZL1 convertible isn't as quick from 100-150 as the M3 (14.2 seconds for the M3 vs. 16.3 seconds according to C/D), so I guess anything's possible, the aero on the M3 is certainly much better
Not really familiar with them but Im sure it was a ZL1 because it also had 4 exhaust pipes
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Well it could have been he struggled to gain traction then aerodynamics and weight come into place and the ZL1 looks like it was aerodynamically designed by the same people who make little tikes and it is extremely obese having a nasty curb weight of 4100+ pounds so it could have had a bad time catching up because of the lack of traction. If he had traction he would have jumped horribly on a stock m3, i dont think it would be the same story from 130MPH-180MPH though, i think the M would have a slight advantage with its sleeker body and less weight it would beat it but it would be closer. Still i would not drive anything as obese as a camaro no matter if it had 100000000 HP its still a pig, i prefer a better driving experience.
I agree love my M
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The ZL1 was prob in 6th gear while you were in 4th..

I barely beat a new audi s4 the other day.. and I think they only have 333 hp.
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I am sure the s4 was tuned as they are really not a match,especially if your dct
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The ZL1 was prob in 6th gear while you were in 4th..

I barely beat a new audi s4 the other day.. and I think they only have 333 hp.
A stock S4 has around 380hp and you should beat that easily, DCT or manual, unless it's tuned!
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I am sure the s4 was tuned as they are really not a match,especially if your dct
^ this.

I was able to outrun a CLS 63 p31 from 0-70, simply because I get traction off the line. Real life is much different than C&D numbers. It's amazing what traction can do for a race.

Edit: granted, my M is modded.
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Still havent raced anything but a modded dodge ram
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^ this.

I was able to outrun a CLS 63 p31 from 0-70, simply because I get traction off the line. Real life is much different than C&D numbers. It's amazing what traction can do for a race.

Edit: granted, my M is modded.
I remember when i had my C63 AMG with 420WHP, i got bead by a kid in a Z4M coupe once since i could not get it off the line, when i got beside him i was still in a cloud of tire smoke and we had to brake long before i could gain traction and pass him.
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I remember when i had my C63 AMG with 420WHP, i got bead by a kid in a Z4M coupe once since i could not get it off the line, when i got beside him i was still in a cloud of tire smoke and we had to brake long before i could gain traction and pass him.
OBVIOUSLY the Z4M was a faster car than.

I'm definitely guilty of on-paper car comparisons (hp, 0-60, etc), but it is amazing how often those numbers are worthless when you actually go drive the damn cars.
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A stock S4 has around 380hp and you should beat that easily, DCT or manual, unless it's tuned!
Stock S4 has 333hp as already mentioned from a 3.0 Supercharged V6. The most conservative tune (Stasis) put thats number up to ~409hp and 380lb of torque.
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It must be nice to net a 20+% gain in power on a tune alone... I think I got around 20rwhp from the Gintani tune (~5%).

Can't wait til I can pull the trigger on an S/C.
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^ this.

I was able to outrun a CLS 63 p31 from 0-70, simply because I get traction off the line. Real life is much different than C&D numbers. It's amazing what traction can do for a race.

Edit: granted, my M is modded.
I remember when i had my C63 AMG with 420WHP, i got bead by a kid in a Z4M coupe once since i could not get it off the line, when i got beside him i was still in a cloud of tire smoke and we had to brake long before i could gain traction and pass him.[/quote]
It couldn't have been me since I was a roadie but mine did a 12.00 @ 117 with a mishift
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Stock S4 has 333hp as already mentioned from a 3.0 Supercharged V6. The most conservative tune (Stasis) put thats number up to ~409hp and 380lb of torque.
If you look around you'll see that they dyno around 300awhp in stock form wich translate to around 380 crank hp with a ~20% drivetrain loss! The Audi line-up of F/I engines seems to be underrated by the company, like the S6 which is advertised at 420hp but has around 480 and the S8 thats advertised at 520hp but dynoed 480awhp in this Motortrend video!
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[/quote]
It couldn't have been me since I was a roadie but mine did a 12.00 @ 117 with a mishift [/quote]

WOW impressive

supercharged!?
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It couldn't have been me since I was a roadie but mine did a 12.00 @ 117 with a mishift [/quote]

WOW impressive

supercharged!?[/quote]
Nope, just minor bolt ons and a shot of 75

I have some videos on the bmw boost sight with me vs an ls3 vette and a ls1 rx7. Both were quite surprised with the outcome....
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