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      01-29-2013, 10:26 AM   #1
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"Chasing a Porsche 997 GT3 in a BMW E92 M3"

Edit: "My first HPDE with Driver's Edge and running at MSR Houston".

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Nice. Looks like you were pretty quick.
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Chase. Thats what makes our hobby interesting.
Nothing is more exciting than chasing a well driven fast car and eventually overtaking it.
It looked like you were slowly catching him but he would walk away on the straightaways. His corner exits were impressive.
It would be interesting to see what would have happened if that red mustang gave you a point by too. He killed all of your momentum.
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Nice driving. You looked fast. Thanks for posting.
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nice work. tough car to stay with when driven well.
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      01-29-2013, 02:57 PM   #6
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Nice. Looks like you were pretty quick.
Not as fast as would have liked to be. But since it was my first time at this track and there was a 2 spin rule, I was dialing it back a bit.

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Chase. Thats what makes our hobby interesting.
Nothing is more exciting than chasing a well driven fast car and eventually overtaking it.
It looked like you were slowly catching him but he would walk away on the straightaways. His corner exits were impressive.
It would be interesting to see what would have happened if that red mustang gave you a point by too. He killed all of your momentum.
Yes, the GT3 would launch out of every corner and I would catch him braking and in the corners. And yes, the mustang held me up quite a bit, but that's what make it interesting.

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Nice driving. You looked fast. Thanks for posting.
Thanks! Faster next time.

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nice work. tough car to stay with when driven well.
Yes, hats off to GT3, he did not make any mistakes.
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      01-30-2013, 01:31 AM   #7
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I have both of those cars and I can assure you that there is no comparison. The fact that you were close to him is a testament to your good driving. You had really clean lines, and a smooth driving style, and he wasn't really near any of the apexes. Keep it up!!
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I have both of those cars and I can assure you that there is no comparison. The fact that you were close to him is a testament to your good driving. You had really clean lines, and a smooth driving style, and he wasn't really near any of the apexes. Keep it up!!
Thanks! The 997 GT3 is one of my favs. The M3 is more practical, but having both would be awesome!
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Nice job . Those GT3s are fast machines .

And thanks for sharing , I always enjoy watching track videos, especially in the off season. I wish I could be on the track too .

As an observation, on your downshifts, there seems to be a longer than expected delay from the time you engage the lower gear to when you blip the throttle and let go of the clutch. Seems to be like this on every downshift. Have you noticed this?
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Nice job . Those GT3s are fast machines .

And thanks for sharing , I always enjoy watching track videos, especially in the off season. I wish I could be on the track too .

As an observation, on your downshifts, there seems to be a longer than expected delay from the time you engage the lower gear to when you blip the throttle and let go of the clutch. Seems to be like this on every downshift. Have you noticed this?
Thanks! Yes, sometimes I don't get the timing just right and release the clutch too late. Thanks for your observation.
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      01-30-2013, 11:10 AM   #11
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Great job! You can increase the heel toe skills by doing it on the street every time.

Mod the driver...not the car!
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great driving for sure!

what camera mount are you using?
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Great job! You can increase the heel toe skills by doing it on the street every time.

Mod the driver...not the car!
my problem with that is the street is nothing like the track. im never pushing the brake pedal on the street far enough down to get it even with the gas pedal.
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Great job! You can increase the heel toe skills by doing it on the street every time.

Mod the driver...not the car!
Thanks! I have tried that, but I brake like a grandma on the street and as a result cannot reach gas pedal to blip throttle. I'm a little rusty, because it has been over a month since my last HPDE.

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what camera mount are you using?
Thanks! I'm using a cruise cam. You will need to remove included camera mount and use the GoPro mount instead.

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my problem with that is the street is nothing like the track. im never pushing the brake pedal on the street far enough down to get it even with the gas pedal.
+1 I have the same issue. I had to learn on the track.
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Thanks! I have tried that, but I brake like a grandma on the street and as a result cannot reach gas pedal to blip throttle. I'm a little rusty, because it has been over a month since my last HPDE.




+1 I have the same issue. I had to learn on the track.
I often wonder about some of the advice on here. Doubt a lot of people have set foot on track. Or tire.
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WTF was that blue truck at 7 min?
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Thanks! I have tried that, but I brake like a grandma on the street and as a result cannot reach gas pedal to blip throttle. I'm a little rusty, because it has been over a month since my last HPDE.
Same issue here... when you are braking hard the brake pedal is lower and so the gas pedal is reachable. It's pretty hard to do it properly if you are braking softly.

I sometimes come screeching into stoplights and such just so I can practice. Not that its a good idea...

You can also get pedal covers/replacement pedals that make the gas pedal much easier to reach.
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Thanks! I have tried that, but I brake like a grandma on the street and as a result cannot reach gas pedal to blip throttle. I'm a little rusty, because it has been over a month since my last HPDE.
The trick is to be able to accurately modulate both pedals. Sometimes you will want to down shift when you start to trail brake or when threshold braking is not required. An example is the carousel CW at MSRH. I enter too fast for 3rd gear. I'm braking really late and trailing the brakes very deep into the corner. My exit speeds aren't high enough for a good pull in 4th. I heel toe while trail braking using the side of my foot to reach the gas. You'll find that if you only threshold brake when you heel toe, you'll frequently overslow the car or cause corner entry understeer. The whole point of heel toe is to better balance the car. I think relying on depressing the brake pedal fully can defeat the purpose. At times, you're just better off not doing the throttle blip vs threshold braking. The key is balancing the car...a balanced car has more overall grip.

I wouldn't practice in heavy traffic. I would practice sat or sun morning in my neighborhood when there is no traffic. The key is to develop the footwork AND muscle memory involved with heel toe. IMO, this is a gimme. You can get heel toe down off track so you're working on something else when you are on track.
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WTF was that blue truck at 7 min?
The VW Golf R32? It is all-wheel drive and pretty quick!

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Same issue here... when you are braking hard the brake pedal is lower and so the gas pedal is reachable. It's pretty hard to do it properly if you are braking softly.

I sometimes come screeching into stoplights and such just so I can practice. Not that its a good idea...

You can also get pedal covers/replacement pedals that make the gas pedal much easier to reach.
Thanks, I may have to try that, although I have the BMW performance pedals.

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The trick is to be able to accurately modulate both pedals. Sometimes you will want to down shift when you start to trail brake or when threshold braking is not required. An example is the carousel CW at MSRH. I enter too fast for 3rd gear. I'm braking really late and trailing the brakes very deep into the corner. My exit speeds aren't high enough for a good pull in 4th. I heel toe while trail braking using the side of my foot to reach the gas. You'll find that if you only threshold brake when you heel toe, you'll frequently overslow the car or cause corner entry understeer. The whole point of heel toe is to better balance the car. I think relying on depressing the brake pedal fully can defeat the purpose. At times, you're just better off not doing the throttle blip vs threshold braking. The key is balancing the car...a balanced car has more overall grip.

I wouldn't practice in heavy traffic. I would practice sat or sun morning in my neighborhood when there is no traffic. The key is to develop the footwork AND muscle memory involved with heel toe. IMO, this is a gimme. You can get heel toe down off track so you're working on something else when you are on track.
Thanks, I see what you are saying, but I usually left foot brake around the carousel, when needed. I mainly need to work on heal/toe while threshold braking, so as to not lock up the rear tires while down-shifting and spinning. I have gotten it wrong a couple times and almost spun.
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That's often the problem I have. Locking rear when threshold braking. For the most part I've worked around my lack of heal toe to the point I don't unsettle the car when I don't do it.
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