Active Autowerke| E92 M3 Before and After Dyno

Andrew@ActiveAutowerke · 12-21-2011, 02:51 PM

Good Afternoon M3 Post Just wanted to share our dyno results after installing some of our performance parts on a customers car.

Active Autowerke: Before and after dyno results on a 2011 E92 M3.(Mustang Dyno)

Stock Run- (325 Whp , 226 Wtq)
After- ( 350 Whp , 247 Wtq)

Modifications Include:

AA-Axle back (stock xpipe)
AA-Flash Tune
AA-Performance Green Filter
AA-Performance Pulley Kit

SV Concepts II · 12-21-2011, 04:03 PM

Great results! That exhaust sounds awesome! Thanks for sharing!

Krozi · 12-21-2011, 04:16 PM

Nice job!

What is the whole deal with the adaptations on the Dyno sheet? What does that mean?

DemonEye · 12-21-2011, 05:03 PM

Nice results! I've already done the AA green filter. I'll be doing a primary cat delete soon and will add the AA tune once you crack the 2012 E92 ECU.

Andrew@ActiveAutowerke · 12-21-2011, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Krozi

Nice job!

What is the whole deal with the adaptations on the Dyno sheet? What does that mean?

The adaptions for VANOS, Throttle, Fuel, Knock etc. were cleared before we did the final pull. After the car is tuned it takes a while for it to "adapt" to the new settings. We just sped the process up by resetting them.

Cal@Sonic MS · 12-21-2011, 05:30 PM

Not bad at all for bolt-ons! Nice results.

///Matthew · 12-21-2011, 05:44 PM

Sounds great! Do you have any vids with the HFC X-Pipe?

Andrew@ActiveAutowerke · 12-21-2011, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ///Matthew

Sounds great! Do you have any vids with the HFC X-Pipe?

Ill look for some videos but it sounds extremely close to the straight x pipe.

A Camera could not pick up the sound difference.

NOTFA5T · 12-21-2011, 06:06 PM

I thought the E9x M3's are putting around 350 stock? guess i was wrong lol

Kyoshi71 · 12-21-2011, 06:12 PM

Excellent!

DemonEye · 12-21-2011, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by NOTFA5T

I thought the E9x M3's are putting around 350 stock? guess i was wrong lol

Mustang dyno numbers are lower than dynojet from what I've seen.

1sikbmr · 12-21-2011, 06:29 PM

great numbers guys

merlin00069 · 12-21-2011, 06:32 PM

Increases look real good for the mods. Is 325whp stock normal though?

Andrew@ActiveAutowerke · 12-21-2011, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by merlin00069

Increases look real good for the mods. Is 325whp stock normal though?

Yep mustang dyno's read extremely low or accurate how ever you want to look at it. Main thing to look at on all dynos is the curve as a whole and not the "max".

The mustang dyno sure isn't the best for forum dyno contests but it sure is great for tuning engines and that is more important to us then a high reading dyno.

meisterm3 · 12-21-2011, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew@ActiveAutowerke

Yep mustang dyno's read extremely low or accurate how ever you want to look at it. Main thing to look at on all dynos is the curve as a whole and not the "max".

The mustang dyno sure isn't the best for forum dyno contests but it sure is great for tuning engines and that is more important to us then a high reading dyno.

Amen.

It still surprises me that the difference between a Mustang Dyno's numbers and... well... all other dyno's is still unknown to so many.

414HP advertized crank * .8 (20% driveline loss) = 331.2HP... 325HP is not far off for a back of the napkin calculation.

...oh, and great results.

Krozi · 12-21-2011, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew@ActiveAutowerke

The adaptions for VANOS, Throttle, Fuel, Knock etc. were cleared before we did the final pull. After the car is tuned it takes a while for it to "adapt" to the new settings. We just sped the process up by resetting them.

Thanks for explaining, and how long does the adaptation phase usually take?

GOLFFRR · 12-21-2011, 10:07 PM

awesome, Andrew that thing sounds insane!

Andrew@ActiveAutowerke · 12-21-2011, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattgold

Amen.

It still surprises me that the difference between a Mustang Dyno's numbers and... well... all other dyno's is still unknown to so many.

414HP advertized crank * .8 (20% driveline loss) = 331.2HP... 325HP is not far off for a back of the napkin calculation.

...oh, and great results.

Thanks Matt ! Many don't know but you can make a dyno read all types of numbers if you manipulate the settings a little bit.

Lots of marketing tricks out there.

Andrew@ActiveAutowerke · 12-21-2011, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krozi

Thanks for explaining, and how long does the adaptation phase usually take?

Couple miles should be enough.

Ateam · 12-21-2011, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattgold

Amen.

It still surprises me that the difference between a Mustang Dyno's numbers and... well... all other dyno's is still unknown to so many.

414HP advertized crank * .8 (20% driveline loss) = 331.2HP... 325HP is not far off for a back of the napkin calculation.

...oh, and great results.

These cars are not losing 20 percent in their drivetrain. That is from a car 15 years ago with an automatic w/ torque converter. Moder bmws anyway, especially with a DCT which essentially has similar drivetrain loss to a manual, should be at MOST 15 percent. Probably closer to 12-13. It seems 350 whp bone stuck is not too uncommon and that puts it at exactly 15 percent loss.

90 percent of folks here in the USA anyway do not get the full power unless they are running 94 octane. This engine on 91 or even 93 likely does not give its full horsepower unless the air is cold, no humidity and the conditions are perfect. Whereas a turbo bmw puts down their numbers and more. Unfortunately this is one engine that is probably overated compared to all turbo bmws which seem to be very underrated

flipm3 · 12-21-2011, 10:50 PM

Thanks for sharing Andrew! Does the owner have any plans for a HFC or cat less XPipe? I'm curious to see what overall gains you guys can achieve with that addition.

1SICKM · 12-21-2011, 11:02 PM

Nice gains. They don't call it the hearbreak dyno for nothing! I pulled 448/326 on a mustang dyno with my ESS 535 kit and catless gintani setup. Your closer to 390ish on a dynojet

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1SICKM Captain Drives: 2009 M3 E92 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Mansfield, NJ Posts: 946 iTrader: (5)	Nice gains. They don't call it the hearbreak dyno for nothing! I pulled 448/326 on a mustang dyno with my ESS 535 kit and catless gintani setup. Your closer to 390ish on a dynojet __________________ E92 M3 DCT...Powered by ESS VT2 650/DCT GTS Software/Aquamist HFS-3 50/50/Morr /Toyo R888's CURRENT WORLD RECORD HOLDER 1/4 MILE - 12/7/12 (ESS VT2 625, Meth Off) ATCO RACEWAY: 10.65 @ 131.79MPH 1.725 60FT
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