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      12-01-2007, 03:10 AM   #89
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Nice, quoting Descartes. However, that does not apply because that only proves to YOU that YOU exist. It doesn't prove to ME that YOU exist. Try again.
I exist...prove to me that our lives are real and tangible because so much crap that goes on seems unreal. For all I know we might be part of a person's dream (so to the person who is dreaming about us give all bugatti veyrons pls)
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Never seen the word partial and atheist side by side.

What if Christians are wrong and there is nothing beyond
the grave? No God? Ok, then they’re still as well off as all the rest.
If Christians are right about heaven and hell, they are winners
indeed. All others are eternally lost forever. Either way,
Christians can’t lose.
This is called Pascal's wager (look it up). So your belief is a form of bet? Don't you think that omnismart God will not see thru this? Isn't that the wrong reason to believe? Just to secure a place in haven?

But what after you die, you meet with Allah? You are SOL dude.

If I get to meet "God" after I die I'll explain my non-belief very simply:
Not enough evidence God, not enough evidence.
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Good point.
I'm assuming you are a Christian..??? (sorry if i'm wrong)
Because you stated that "either way, christians can't lose." which seems to be true.
But also if you see it from my point of view, I can't lose either way.
See my previous reply. So according to you, your faith is based on hedging bets?
Does your "God" know this? He must, because he knows everything?

You believe because you're scared??? And why is belief in things, that aren't supported by any kind of evidence (bible doesn't count as it's man-made)
the only virtue God values? You can kill, cheat, molest, and still be forgiven? But if you don't believe, you will be punished in the most horrible way?

What kind of perverse, sociopath, doctrine is that?

Hmmm...maybe the ultimate requirement to believe is posed on you by church, the organized religion that wants to easily control you.
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      12-01-2007, 11:28 AM   #92
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See my previous reply. So according to you, your faith is based on hedging bets?
Does your "God" know this? He must, because he knows everything?

You believe because you're scared??? And why is belief in things, that aren't supported by any kind of evidence (bible doesn't count as it's man-made)
the only virtue God values? You can kill, cheat, molest, and still be forgiven? But if you don't believe, you will be punished in the most horrible way?

What kind of perverse, sociopath, doctrine is that?

Hmmm...maybe the ultimate requirement to believe is posed on you by church, the organized religion that wants to easily control you.
Kinda lost here.
I don't have "God", and i don't believe.
but rather i was just simply stating that the person that i replied to should look at the situation from my point of view.
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      12-01-2007, 11:51 AM   #93
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Too many GODS.......my God can kick your God's ass.......but I don't have a GOD.
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Kinda lost here.
I don't have "God", and i don't believe.
but rather i was just simply stating that the person that i replied to should look at the situation from my point of view.
Ok, I haven't researched your posts which is a mistake on my part. However all I said still applies to any Christian.
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Good point.
I'm assuming you are a Christian..??? (sorry if i'm wrong)
Because you stated that "either way, christians can't lose." which seems to be true.
But also if you see it from my point of view, I can't lose either way.
Yes I am a Christian.
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Yes I am a Christian.
So, what if 1.5 billion (with a B) are right? Are you going to burn in hell for eternity?
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This is called Pascal's wager (look it up). So your belief is a form of bet? Don't you think that omnismart God will not see thru this? Isn't that the wrong reason to believe? Just to secure a place in haven?

But what after you die, you meet with Allah? You are SOL dude.

If I get to meet "God" after I die I'll explain my non-belief very simply:
Not enough evidence God, not enough evidence.
If you read previous posts, someone mentioned that if Christians are wrong then they would have wasted time believing, committing, and devoting their life to a god that does not exist. However he never stated the downside to an athiest being wrong. That is why I worded my statement the way I did.

I don't live my life for Jesus and use the Bible to guide me just because "I'm betting on Jesus and God existing and in doing that I have the best outcome in the end whether I'm right or wrong."
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If you read previous posts, someone mentioned that if Christians are wrong then they would have wasted time believing, committing, and devoting their life to a god that does not exist. However he never stated the downside to an athiest being wrong. That is why I worded my statement the way I did.

I don't live my life for Jesus and use the Bible to guide me just because "I'm betting on Jesus and God existing and in doing that I have the best outcome in the end whether I'm right or wrong."
There thousends of Gods through recordable human history. If you believe in only ONE God, that makes you an atheist towards other Gods. I'm the same way as you except I believe in one less God than you.

And again, do you think that 1.5 billion Muslims are delusional for believing in Allah?
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