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![]() For what it's worth, I never had any shifting problems with this car. Unless you are drag racing, there's no reason to shift extremely fast and that's not what this car was intended for. But you really have to wonder why the 1M coupe's MT feels so much better than the M3. Even the new M5 uses the ZHP knob. M division must also know that it's a much better knob.
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I have no doubt the same conclusions will be drawn about the F80 M3 compared to the E9x versions.
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People make the argument that "every generation thus far has been an improvement over the last one." Well yeah, but look at the E9X M3. The budget for the car must have been astronomical. One off engine not used anywhere else. Only the doors and the trunk lid (if I remember correctly) are shared with the 3-series. 5K worth of CF roof on top and 20K worth of suspension upgrades underneath. All for a single model run of one low volume (compared to overall sales) car. That kind of staggering expense is dead and gone and cost-cutting is in due to the economic downturn; no-one, even BMW M was immune. So efficiency and cross-company sharing are now the name of the game. Will the F30 M3 be better than the E92 M3? Possibly. But the E92 M3 is the last of its breed in a way that the E46 was not. Not only will the new car be turbocharged (with all the implications thereof) but the car will not be a dedicated M car with 99% of parts separate from mainline production with an esoteric engine. Can M still turn out something spectacular under their new constraints? I'm sure they can! But how much more amazing would the F30 be if it was coming out before the fiscal crisis rather than in 2012? We will never know. Therefore I think most of the arguments about "Hey, look at the past" are invalid in this case because the past situation was nothing like what is happening now. That's why I'm more than happy to pick up the last of the E92 M3s exactly how I want it on a lease. If the F30 is amazing and resale plummets then I win because I leased. If the F30 sucks then I have the option of keeping the car - or selling what will be probably the most desirable (minimal) configuration. Win. Last edited by bvanderbilt; 12-18-2012 at 08:56 PM. |
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Pure white is sporty on a e92 m3...mineral white..is not as sporty to me though.
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many people were upset as the BMW inline 6 is considered the holy grail by many. Sure now that the e9x has been around and e60 m5 people love the s65 and s85 but there's nothing like a BMW inline 6 |
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However, there have been lots of advancements in the past 10 years in regards to manufacturing tolerances, weight reduction, improved ECU, mechanical components like differentials, etc. Just look at the interior of the M6, or it's new diff. Those two things would have been impossible, or cost prohibitive in 2006 when the E9x M3 was in development. Quote:
Of course the past is not the same as it is now, but in many ways it is better. We already see the F20 M135i running almost the same lap time as the 1M. The E92 M3 was no more the last of it's breed than the E46 (straight 6, NA). Maybe the E46 can even be considered "more pure" because of all the elecro-wizardry in the E9x M models, that will surely be bettered by the F80 cars. One thing is for sure, the E9x M3 feels pretty heavy. So much so that it takes some fun out of driving it. BMW M GmbH have already said the new car will be lighter and faster. What's not to love about that?
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![]() Now, if you are itching to go there -cost becomes irrelevant once the itching to swap sinks in- then go further in, IMO. European Delivery, Individual, Performance Delivery, whatever... just do something special. But going to the dealer and doing the same thing over for basically the same thing is just boring. |
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If you are a numbers guy however (I definitely am one), replacing a 2011 M3 with an identical car with a different color at a time where dealers are no longer offering big ED savings further makes no sense. Strictly looking at it from a numbers point of view. Either way, it appears OP made the right decision by keeping his 2011. ![]()
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Give your car a pat on the roof, it's blower time!
![]() DCT/Jet Black here as well, but I kept mine stock externally, I like the contrast between the paint color and the silver wheels and grill, personal thing. In my opinion AW has been overdone with the M3. It looks great, but wouldn't justify trading in my book. As far as the DCT goes, I had an MT in a previous E90 and I was disappointed, DCT seemed to be a good match for the E92 M3. So far I still really like it, but I might go back to a manual one day if the car was designed for it, e.g. 1M.
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Driven only DCT cars (on Autobahn, race tracks in England, and back roads in Germany and Austria). Loved it. But I have to say I'm 100% happy I went with MT. It's almost like a different car, but it'll be the last of its kind. N/A V8 with MT? Yea she's a keeper (color combo helps too).
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if anything, the manual version feels faster, and maybe that's because there's less drivetrain loss which may not be strictly relevent in my comparison since the 'auto' was a plain planetary gear/ Torque converter auto and a DCT has less DTL than this trans. In any event.. I don't say outloud 'damn, that felt 3/10ths slower than my old car' every time I mash the pedal. That simply does not happen anywhere except on an internet forum. |
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MT > DCT imo anyway... but I don't think its "dumb" "stupid" etc; to have one car and get a new one ? my uncle gets new 5 series every year or 2 , I had a z06 , i would still buy another z06 .
Personally I love a white/red m3 hence why i ordered mine and just received it. black is sexy too but brutal to care for , only reason my z06 was black was because it was pre-owned. |
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