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      08-29-2013, 08:43 PM   #485
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What does this little dude mean. If its word, why does he look so bummed about it. Looks like weak, or whack.
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What does this little dude mean. If its word, why does he look so bummed about it. Looks like weak, or whack.
lol. I think he's supposed to look like he's chillin. And yes, its word, as in yes or I agree.
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      08-29-2013, 11:45 PM   #487
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lol. I think he's supposed to look like he's chillin. And yes, its word, as in yes or I agree.
seems he should be happy if hes agreeing with what someone said. this needs to be addressed.
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Exactly that. And with my supercharger and GTS DCT programming, the Z06 really didn't feel much faster in a straight line, if at all. I much prefer DCT over stick shift now anyway. (Used to love stick). The torque available down low was the noticeable improvement. The rest of the car, to me, just had an overall cheap feeling.
Put 15k into the Z06 motor and I'm sure it will feel as fast.

I can see everything you guys said except reliability.
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Put 15k into the Z06 motor and I'm sure it will feel as fast.

I can see everything you guys said except reliability.

Yeah, most definitely. Even the 7K I put in for the base supercharger and test pipes would help the z06 along nicely. But that same 7K can't really help the z06 where actually needs help.. which is everywhere else.

My father purchased a new ZR1 and that car's performance is exactly what I want out of my next vehicle. But he agrees that for 120K, the car's ergonomics, interior, and infotainment would be better than what they offer. Exterior styling is pretty nice though, however I still tease him that he needs move up from these hillbilly cars. lol.
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I can see everything you guys said except reliability.
The C6 Z06's engine (LS7) has a bad valve/head design in it. Cars with 5,000 miles driven like grampas sunday cruiser are blowing their engines like crazy. Modded or no mods doesn't matter - engine issue still exsists. If you check out the threads over on the corvette forums 50% of their threads are either about Blown Engines, Engine Rebuilds, or Valve/head repair maintenance. Also the Z06's have oil starvation issues with the factory setup that will cause the engine to blow as well on high G turns.

The E9X you can take it out and run 30+ track days and not worry about it. That is the reliability I was talking about.
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Newer LS7's after 2010 (I think) don't have the oil starvation issue anymore.

Some LS7's are definitely experiencing some valve/head issues and it seems like GM is only going to warranty those cars that are completely stock.

Other guys are doing preventive maintenance, and have replaced their stock heads with a WCCH valve job and heads, and have had very good results. Adding the WCCH heads/valve job, CAM, a CAI, headers and tune will run you about $5k for all the work and you will end up with about 550 HP at the rear wheels which is about a 75HP gain over stock. The LS7 does have its fault but once sorted out it is a very capable engine.

I have found over the years, the only real bullet proof car is a Porsche GT3/RS. It has it's own set of problems RMS, coolant hose, center lug, etc., but overall the Porsche is a great dual purpose track/street car that delivers a great driving experience with relatively small faults.
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The C6 Z06's engine (LS7) has a bad valve/head design in it. Cars with 5,000 miles driven like grampas sunday cruiser are blowing their engines like crazy. Modded or no mods doesn't matter - engine issue still exsists. If you check out the threads over on the corvette forums 50% of their threads are either about Blown Engines, Engine Rebuilds, or Valve/head repair maintenance. Also the Z06's have oil starvation issues with the factory setup that will cause the engine to blow as well on high G turns.

The E9X you can take it out and run 30+ track days and not worry about it. That is the reliability I was talking about.
Every car has problems, yes even BMW's

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I can see everything you guys said except reliability.
The C6 Z06's engine (LS7) has a bad valve/head design in it. Cars with 5,000 miles driven like grampas sunday cruiser are blowing their engines like crazy. Modded or no mods doesn't matter - engine issue still exsists. If you check out the threads over on the corvette forums 50% of their threads are either about Blown Engines, Engine Rebuilds, or Valve/head repair maintenance. Also the Z06's have oil starvation issues with the factory setup that will cause the engine to blow as well on high G turns.

The E9X you can take it out and run 30+ track days and not worry about it. That is the reliability I was talking about.
The ls7 from 06-09 have an oil starvation issue when cornering on left handers over 4 seconds when you have r comps. In so cal the only track to offer that is Laguna seca. Besides, that issue is easily remedied with a larger reservoir oil tank with more baffling. About $400 all in. Also remember these issues are much more exacerbated bc their are more people who compete(not hpde's) in their z06's than M drivers...ironically, their seems to be more supercharged m3 drivers interested in air strip races over z06 owners...

As for the head issues, have you seen the statistics? Assuming here, if the motor was nearly as bad as the interweeb likes to describe, would they continue its use in the z28 without updates? Also keep in mind the 3yr 36k mi warranty only costs 1800 from GM. I know I was repeatedly turned down from third party warranties with my m6...even when I was willing to pay the 7k premium they demanded. Remember, warranty companies are all about statistics, and there premium is loosely calculated by the length of term and estimated repair costs, food for thougt
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The ls7 from 06-09 have an oil starvation issue when cornering on left handers over 4 seconds when you have r comps. In so cal the only track to offer that is Laguna seca. Besides, that issue is easily remedied with a larger reservoir oil tank with more baffling. About $400 all in. Also remember these issues are much more exacerbated bc their are more people who compete(not hpde's) in their z06's than M drivers...ironically, their seems to be more supercharged m3 drivers interested in air strip races over z06 owners...

As for the head issues, have you seen the statistics? Assuming here, if the motor was nearly as bad as the interweeb likes to describe, would they continue its use in the z28 without updates? Also keep in mind the 3yr 36k mi warranty only costs 1800 from GM. I know I was repeatedly turned down from third party warranties with my m6...even when I was willing to pay the 7k premium they demanded. Remember, warranty companies are all about statistics, and there premium is loosely calculated by the length of term and estimated repair costs, food for thougt
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There are days where I solely miss the Z. And, there are gonna be days where the M fits the bill. In a perfect world, I'd have both, plus...
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The ls7 from 06-09 have an oil starvation issue when cornering on left handers over 4 seconds when you have r comps. In so cal the only track to offer that is Laguna seca. Besides, that issue is easily remedied with a larger reservoir oil tank with more baffling. About $400 all in. Also remember these issues are much more exacerbated bc their are more people who compete(not hpde's) in their z06's than M drivers...ironically, their seems to be more supercharged m3 drivers interested in air strip races over z06 owners...

As for the head issues, have you seen the statistics? Assuming here, if the motor was nearly as bad as the interweeb likes to describe, would they continue its use in the z28 without updates? Also keep in mind the 3yr 36k mi warranty only costs 1800 from GM. I know I was repeatedly turned down from third party warranties with my m6...even when I was willing to pay the 7k premium they demanded. Remember, warranty companies are all about statistics, and there premium is loosely calculated by the length of term and estimated repair costs, food for thougt

I've seen quite a few Z06s with issues at AAA here in SoCal. Large banked left.

Yeah GM does warrant it but problem is they replace it with the same bad designed parts.
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In my opinion the Z06 is a step down in terms of everything except raw performance. It is fast!

Other than that I think the M3 outshines the Z06 in all other aspects such as reliability, daily drivability, comfort, handling confidence, luxury, noise level, cabin heat, ability to see out of it, ergonomics.


Anyone who ownes a z06 could careless about all of that.

Some people dont want the refinement. They want the rawness.
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Touché, I didn't consider the roval as a track. Just remember to install the http://www.lingenfelter.com/mm5/merc...egory_Code=C54
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Anyone who ownes a z06 could careless about all of that.

Some people dont want the refinement. They want the rawness.
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seems he should be happy if hes agreeing with what someone said. this needs to be addressed.
Agreed, someone needs to end this madness.

The "Word" emoticon has bothered me for some time, but I haven't spoken out against it. Now, there are at least two of us. This could be the start of "The Ever Widening International Struggle Against Inappropriately Caricatured Emoticons" and, with enough effort, an end to this plague.
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Agreed, someone needs to end this madness.

The "Word" emoticon has bothered me for some time, but I haven't spoken out against it. Now, there are at least two of us. This could be the start of "The Ever Widening International Struggle Against Inappropriately Caricatured Emoticons" and, with enough effort, an end to this plague.
Can we get govt funding for our efforts?
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Can we get govt funding for our efforts?
It's likely that we'd receive some sort of funding given the endless nonsense that our government spends money on these days. If anything, I think we'd be one of the more productive organizations receiving tax dollars.

We may be forced to change our name to "The Ever Widening American Struggle Against Inappropriately Caricatured Emoticons" though, but that's not a deal breaker for me.
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It's likely that we'd receive some sort of funding given the endless nonsense that our government spends money on these days. If anything, I think we'd be one of the more productive organizations receiving tax dollars.

We may be forced to change our name to "The Ever Widening American Struggle Against Inappropriately Caricatured Emoticons" though, but that's not a deal breaker for me.
I'm in. Start the fight. Maybe they will give us z06s to drive to keep us on topic.
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I'm in. Start the fight. Maybe they will give us z06s to drive to keep us on topic.
I like where this is going. They'll almost be forced to give us Z06s, and probably establish our headquarters next door to Laguna Seca so we can test out that 4sec+ left hander. Then they'll buy us that Lingenfelter High Capacity Oil Tank, and who knows what next.

Wait, what was this topic about again..?
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Wait, what was this topic about again..?
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I like where this is going. They'll almost be forced to give us Z06s, and probably establish our headquarters next door to Laguna Seca so we can test out that 4sec+ left hander. Then they'll buy us that Lingenfelter High Capacity Oil Tank, and who knows what next.

Wait, what was this topic about again..?
Yes we should get several back up cars in case we are too vigorous with our testing.
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