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      06-16-2011, 10:04 AM   #1
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track wheel size recomendation

hi all,ive done a search but can't seem to find what im looking for
im looking to get a set of 18 wheel for track use with high performance street tires,te37sl is the choice of wheel but the question i have is should i go with a square set up or a staggered?
with your recommendations could you advise on tire size
seems that 275/35/18 would work best for staggered set up


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I am in the same exact position are you... And am now leaning to buying a square set up 275/35/18 with 18*9.5 wheels from Apex or from D-Force.
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i dont have this set up yet but its what i'm aiming for...

18x 9.5 f
18x 10.5 r

265f
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i dont have this set up yet but its what i'm aiming for...

18x 9.5 f
18x 10.5 r

265f
285r
For the track!?!
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His sizing seems fine. I don't see what's wrong.
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square setup

275/35/18 or 285

depends on tire.
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I find 255/275 or 265/285 work the best for street tires
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My APEX ARC-8s 18x10 Square Setup in Anthracite.... Direzza Sport Z1 Star Spec 275x35x18 Square.. No rubbing even on the track.. Great wheels and tires - perfect for the occasional (once a month) track day car that also sees DD duty!! The wheels are light, strong and look fantastic!!

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This depends on so many variables, there is no right answer. Your car setup and driving style will determine your preference. I like running 18X10 and 275/35 all around, both because of handling balance and freedom of 4 wheel rotation. I have never seen the wisdom of running staggered wheels/tires on a front engine/rear drive car with neutral weight distribution. But that's just me.
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If you're looking for track wheels in 18" I would recommend the following combos:

1. 18x10" low offset with 275/35/18 front and rear. squared setup is rotatable and a cost effective setup for a dedicated set. at a 25mm offset all 275/35/18 r-compounds fit front and rear without issue. No spacers are needed.

2. 18x9.5" low offset front with 265/35/18 and 18x10.5" low offset rear with 285/35/18, 285/30/18 or 295/30/18 depending on availability. This staggered setup takes advantage of the extra room in the rear and the power the car can put to the ground.

A stagger with 275/35 fronts and a wider rear is difficult because there are few 285's and 295's with the ride sidewall height, so you'd end up with a front that is taller than the rear which is not ideal.

Good staggered extreme summer tires are 265/35/18 and 285/35/18 Hankook RS-3 or Nitto NT-05

Good staggered r-compound sizes are 265/35/18 and 285/30/18 BFG R1, Toyo R888, and Advan A048. Or 265/35/18 with 295/30 Toyo R888 or advan A048.

The d-force wheels are high offset and would need a thick spacer to fit both front and rear. They don't meet JWL standards for load rating and they were never VIA certified (although they've been stamped with both logos as if they were certified).

The TE37SL's have an offset that is more ideal for an aggressive street look then it is for track use with r-compounds, but they still work. A car without added negative camber could end up with fender rubbing when using wide r-compounds.
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I went staggard after much discussion here.
This car doensn't understeer like the E46 do and puts down a lot of power, so it's more prone to oversteer, as I found out last time out.

I've got the APEX 9.5/10.5 and couldn't be happier. The NT05's stick great for a street tire and don't make anymore noise than my Vreds, though they're 18's vs the Vred's 19".

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His sizing seems fine. I don't see what's wrong.
Nothing wrong... I had simply started to (wrongfully it seems) believe that the square set-up was THE way to go so I was just surprised. There are also many people around here that are not track rats but rather posers so I just wanted to double-check.
Thanks to all for your valuable feedback!
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i dont have this set up yet but its what i'm aiming for...

18x 9.5 f
18x 10.5 r

265f
285r
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The TE37SL's have an offset that is more ideal for an aggressive street look then it is for track use with r-compounds, but they still work. A car without added negative camber could end up with fender rubbing when using wide r-compounds.
So the new Advan TC-III with more offset in the rear is a better choice than the TE37sl if you're not adding neg camber in the rear? Better choice meaning more tire options without rubbing.
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I'd take the TE37 SL over pretty much any track wheel out there if money is not a factor. Forged, light, strong and fit Brembo BBK.
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I went staggard after much discussion here.
This car doensn't understeer like the E46 do and puts down a lot of power, so it's more prone to oversteer, as I found out last time out.
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The car definitely benefits greatly from having more rear rubber when you power out of corners.

My philosophy has always been that you add traction to the axle that needs it, not the other way around... until you reach a certain limit of course. For understeer, you would add rubber to the front axle, not remove traction from the rear axle.

There is a reason why BMW went with staggered, 8.5/9.5 stock M3, 9/10 ZCP/GTS, 9.5/10 GT4.

Here's my set up FYI.

18x9.5 / 18x10.5
265/35/18 / 295/30/18
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My APEX ARC-8s 18x10 Square Setup in Anthracite.... Direzza Sport Z1 Star Spec 275x35x18 Square.. No rubbing even on the track.. Great wheels and tires - perfect for the occasional (once a month) track day car that also sees DD duty!! The wheels are light, strong and look fantastic!!

i just did last fridays event with you i was in my mini

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If you're looking for track wheels in 18" I would recommend the following combos:

1. 18x10" low offset with 275/35/18 front and rear. squared setup is rotatable and a cost effective setup for a dedicated set. at a 25mm offset all 275/35/18 r-compounds fit front and rear without issue. No spacers are needed.

2. 18x9.5" low offset front with 265/35/18 and 18x10.5" low offset rear with 285/35/18, 285/30/18 or 295/30/18 depending on availability. This staggered setup takes advantage of the extra room in the rear and the power the car can put to the ground.

A stagger with 275/35 fronts and a wider rear is difficult because there are few 285's and 295's with the ride sidewall height, so you'd end up with a front that is taller than the rear which is not ideal.

Good staggered extreme summer tires are 265/35/18 and 285/35/18 Hankook RS-3 or Nitto NT-05

Good staggered r-compound sizes are 265/35/18 and 285/30/18 BFG R1, Toyo R888, and Advan A048. Or 265/35/18 with 295/30 Toyo R888 or advan A048.

The d-force wheels are high offset and would need a thick spacer to fit both front and rear. They don't meet JWL standards for load rating and they were never VIA certified (although they've been stamped with both logos as if they were certified).

The TE37SL's have an offset that is more ideal for an aggressive street look then it is for track use with r-compounds, but they still work. A car without added negative camber could end up with fender rubbing when using wide r-compounds.
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i dont have this set up yet but its what i'm aiming for...

18x 9.5 f
18x 10.5 r

265f
285r

looks like that what im getting james te37sl for sure
hopefully tomorrow ill know for sure,im going to not go with r compound at this tme im going to try the hankook rs3 265/285
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Tire Size for Track

I have 275-35-18 on all for corners with 18x10 wheels for the track. Works great.
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The car definitely benefits greatly from having more rear rubber when you power out of corners.

My philosophy has always been that you add traction to the axle that needs it, not the other way around... until you reach a certain limit of course. For understeer, you would add rubber to the front axle, not remove traction from the rear axle.

There is a reason why BMW went with staggered, 8.5/9.5 stock M3, 9/10 ZCP/GTS, 9.5/10 GT4.

Here's my set up FYI.

18x9.5 / 18x10.5
265/35/18 / 295/30/18
Nothing wrong with this approach, but it's all relative to personal style and experience. After several track seasons in a ZO6, the need for rear traction was very clear, and always a challenge, so the need for bigger rear tires was compelling. Handling balance was neutral, and any understeer was easily adjusted with the throttle. In comparison, the E92 M3 is relatively heavy, with modest power. I find the 275 tire all around is a good setup, for me. Others may find the car too loose, especially if they are not experienced in driving a car that requires much more subtle throttle management than the M3. The safer approach is always best, and the E90 series M3 handles very well with a staggered setup.
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i dont have this set up yet but its what i'm aiming for...

18x 9.5 f
18x 10.5 r

265f
285r
What tires/profiles would you guys recommend?

If RS-3s, I'm assuming 265 35 285 35?
AD08 265 35 285 30?
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2. 18x9.5" low offset front with 265/35/18 and 18x10.5" low offset rear with 285/35/18, 285/30/18 or 295/30/18 depending on availability. This staggered setup takes advantage of the extra room in the rear and the power the car can put to the ground.
Would you say a 285/30/18 is too short of a tire? I say this because, as you said "depending on availability," the AD08s don't come in 285/35/18.

Would 295/30/18 AD08 clear (no rubbing anywhere) with a 10.5 low offset?

The square set up you mentioned is a great set up.
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