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      11-05-2012, 02:19 PM   #243
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Can we put the graphs and technical data to one side and just settle this the good old fashioned way! Lets race!!!!
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      11-05-2012, 02:23 PM   #244
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Can't we just all get along guys.
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      11-05-2012, 02:27 PM   #245
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Can't we just all get along guys.
Of course we can! As long as your on the ESS bandwagon hahahaha JK!! But seriously though
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      11-05-2012, 02:27 PM   #246
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Dispite the back and forth that has gone on in this thread there has been some techical info discussed and a few subjects that compare blowers to each other. The fact is that any blower from the Vortech to HKS to Rotrex to ASA can make decent TQ on the S65 if you run high enough boost. The limit of some blowers is they simply cannot make the top end power this motor was built to deliver. I have yet to see any blower other than Vortech deliver 600+ whp on the S65 motor. I have seen the argument that you somehow give up bottom end power by having a robust top end but this simply is not the case.

To compare one blower to the next you first have to start with the basics and that is close to equal boost. Because boost is measured at the manifold it is pressure seen by the motor after your loss from the time air leaves the blower to when it reaches the manifold so it is the same on every car. The second is to make sure the dyno's being compared are both on water meth or not as this can skew the power curve which is obvious to most. Comparing blowers by what the blower vendors say they do can be fun for argument sake but is really pointless as many do not tell the truth. We prefer to test them in the real world. Based on the in house testing we have done with Rotrex and the ASA in the past and now the Vortech we feel the Vortech is a clear winner. The Vortech power delivery simply cannot be matched when running equal boost levels, it is a much simpler installation as it is self lubricated and has a solid track record on reliability. This is why we now use it on all of our centrifugal kits.

As mentioned I like real world data. I have seen some offer up unbalanced comparisons of different blowers to prove a point but no one has yet to show a fair direct comparison. As the Rotrex and HKS has been mentioned I will use the most recent Active Stage 3 powered by the Rotrex C38 blower @ 10 psi VS our Vortech powered VT2-650 @ 8.5 psi. The AA car upgraded the HKS because it could not achieve the power the Rotrex could I would assume? Both cars are running water meth both on a Dynojet with SAE correction. For this comparison the Rotrex blower has a 1.5 psi advantage. This is info I found on the dyno database so I am going to assume it has been supplied by Active and the info is accurate. When you compare these two graphs I fail to see how anyone can say that a Rotrex or HKS blower makes more bottom end power or has any advantage really over the Vortech. If anyone would like to send me DRf files with boost logs from an HKS or Rotrex powered kit I would be more than happy to lay it over one of our equally boosted kits dyno's and post the graph for comparison. Also if you are going to post a dyno of any sorts for comparison please post a boost log and mention water meth if it applies to allow for a fair comparison.

Blue ESS Vortech @ 8.5 psi stock motor water / meth VS Red AA Rotrex @ 10 psi built motor water / meth.

Unfortunately the graph you overlaid compares a vehicle with 8100 rpm to one with 8400 rpm so the theory of holding power cannot be used here but I totally see the point you are trying to make. For this particular car the Rotrex blower was used because of the very low compression pistons we decided to use. Although the car drives incredible this car was built for high hp and this blower cannot flow enough for this application.

Now most people do not have a built engine nor lower compression so those results do not really mean much to 99% of customers looking to upgrade their vehicles. The Rotrex blower will perform wonderfully on a stock engine without any drop in power to red line. New Dyno's will be out shortly for your viewing pleasure
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      11-05-2012, 02:30 PM   #247
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Of course we can! As long as your on the ESS bandwagon hahahaha JK!! But seriously though
Hey,dont include me in this. haha
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So we shall start at 5000rpm in 3rd gear, and when you shift that's when I will pull ! We will get down to it in March my friend.
Looking forward to it... Ill be purchasing a new car 2 months after that so win or lose will decide which motor I go with next.
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      11-05-2012, 02:39 PM   #250
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Hahaha.....

I meant the Ladies arguing this pointless debate should race! Im just a humble 318 wner so no racing for me....
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Can't we just all get along guys.
Just think how boring it would be if we all used the same blower...
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Hahaha.....

I meant the Ladies arguing this pointless debate should race! Im just a humble 318 wner so no racing for me....
LMAO,id take a 318 any day !
I gas up every other day haha
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Just think how boring it would be if we all used the same blower...
Right !
I bet you we would still find something to argue about,haha !
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LMAO,id take a 318 any day !
I gas up every other day haha

Right !
I bet you we would still find something to argue about,haha !
Who's manifold is bigger? Our's is Btw
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Who's manifold is bigger? Our's is Btw
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I wonder why G-power not post here
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      11-05-2012, 03:27 PM   #257
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There will be plenty of Vishnu single turbo vs ESS SC M3 runs this weekend. I wish there were some AA/Gintani/GPower M3s coming. Sticky is apparently signed up with his built motor Gintani-blown M3 but his car has been down for 2 years so who knows if he will show.
Lol that douche/ poor excuse of a man... Wait he's 26 years old scratch the man part , momma's boy has been with out a car for 3 years not 2 .
So Gintiny blew his motor again ??? Wow.... These people work backwards ! Instead of tuning to maximize performance on a stock motor they build motors to with hold shit tunes ..... Nice !!
God knows how many people they screwed heck they might even be trying to bring a solid product to the table so who knows its never to late to change ...

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Dude, I've been running my M with the GPower for well over 2 years with no issues.... Many runs to Nurburgring and many back to back laps around it and still kept stock temps..... Stuff you can only dream of.
Are you serious ? This is my 3rd M that this kit has been on & not to mention it has accumulated over 120k miles/280k kilometers.
Bro .... Seriously consider more reading and less typing....

I have a question for you .... What's your function ??

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There will be plenty of Vishnu single turbo vs ESS SC M3 runs this weekend. I wish there were some AA/Gintani/GPower M3s coming. Sticky is apparently signed up with his built motor Gintani-blown M3 but his car has been down for 2 years so who knows if he will show.
Lol that douche/ poor excuse of a man... Wait he's 26 years old scratch the man part , momma's boy has been with out a car for 3 years not 2 .
So Gintiny blew his motor again ??? Wow.... These people work backwards ! Instead of tuning to maximize performance on a stock motor they build motors to with hold shit tunes ..... Nice !!
God knows how many people they screwed heck they might even be trying to bring a solid product to the table so who knows its never to late to change ...

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Dude, I've been running my M with the GPower for well over 2 years with no issues.... Many runs to Nurburgring and many back to back laps around it and still kept stock temps..... Stuff you can only dream of.
Are you serious ? This is my 3rd M that this kit has been on & not to mention it has accumulated over 120k miles/280k kilometers.
Bro .... Seriously consider more reading and less typing....

I have a question for you .... What's your function ???
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They are too busy fixing their software.
Lol, shows how much you know. Do you know who develops the software for GPower?
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I have a question for you .... What's your function ???
My function is trafficing Albanian women
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