Audi, Range Rover and Jaguars

Raja Ventureshield · 10-18-2012, 10:19 AM

Someone please help me understand this.

I keep on reading how bad these cars are but sales seem to indicate otherwise.
I see Rovers/Jags/Audi(s) all over the DC area. Why would somoene buy a car that is inferior and has all kinds of issues?

jsedlak · 10-18-2012, 10:34 AM

Status?

I don't hear to much in the way of Audi having problems, at least not in the way other VWs have problems.

Jaguar has an interesting past... didn't realize Tata Motors bought them (and Land Rover).

KingOfJericho · 10-18-2012, 11:40 AM

BMW isn't really famous for their reliability either...

Also, my guess is that most of those cars are leases in which case it wouldn't really matter how reliable it is. I rarely see a Jag S-Type but when they first came out they were all over the place. Likely the same reason.

son_of_siggy · 10-18-2012, 11:41 AM

They all have scarred pasts to one extent or another. Nowadays, most of them have ironed out the issues, but their pasts still follow them via the uninformed or headline-only readers.

Silververtu · 10-18-2012, 12:48 PM

Having an Audi for 7 years and still driving it while waiting for the new car arrives, no issues at all. But I heard Jag and RR do have lots of issues, such as their adaptive suspenion which cost a fortune to fix.

freshwhite335 · 10-18-2012, 05:59 PM

My 06 Range Rover was the most reliable car I've ever had. My sister has an 09 Audi S5 that has the same number of stupid problems all of our BMW have/have had.

CAPSGOD · 10-18-2012, 06:12 PM

Probably the looks. Average person doesn't care about driving at 9/10ths and all three brands have stylish interiors & exteriors.

BlackLemon · 10-19-2012, 12:27 AM

my 2010 Jaguar XFR has been the best car ive ever owned, far superior then any MB and bmw Ive owned.

MikeyV · 10-19-2012, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Raja Ventureshield

Someone please help me understand this.

I keep on reading how bad these cars are but sales seem to indicate otherwise.
I see Rovers/Jags/Audi(s) all over the DC area. Why would somoene buy a car that is inferior and has all kinds of issues?

Go to an LR/Jag or Audi forum and I bet there are posters there asking the same questions about BMW's. Besides I'd take and XJ or a 7er any day of the week and a RR or Audi Q over any X series BMW.

Raja Ventureshield · 10-19-2012, 06:48 AM

looks wise, i love these cars. But just been reading on forums that owners saying they would never own a audi/rr again. Not much Jag owners here. Jags are so nice, i love their interior. Just something i was trying to understand. Maybe I should see what the audi/rr/jag forums have to say about bimmers.

fireline43 · 10-19-2012, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Raja Ventureshield

looks wise, i love these cars. But just been reading on forums that owners saying they would never own a audi/rr again. Not much Jag owners here. Jags are so nice, i love their interior. Just something i was trying to understand. Maybe I should see what the audi/rr/jag forums have to say about bimmers.

Yea, same here. The audi's are great looking to me. Very sleek. But people really bash them on reliability. But I mean they are the same as VW. And my family has owned plenty of them and no real problems. I've contemplating checking them out more with the new A4 out.

goalieman24 · 10-19-2012, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Raja Ventureshield

looks wise, i love these cars. But just been reading on forums that owners saying they would never own a audi/rr again. Not much Jag owners here. Jags are so nice, i love their interior. Just something i was trying to understand. Maybe I should see what the audi/rr/jag forums have to say about bimmers.

I think you'll see just the flip side of that when looking at other forums.

It's the same with all cars... those who have problems will always feel the need to make it widely known. Those who don't will just go about things quietly.

Probably the same ratio of Audi drivers that have issues as you'd see here.

rjd598 · 10-19-2012, 09:16 PM

I just drove a 13 s4 today and was blown away. Wow what machine that thing is. For comparison I drove a 335is after and it was great but truly Audi interior is perfection. Just sitting in the BMW at first made me dislike it with the lower quality interior. Overall both great cars but s4 takes the cake

freshwhite335 · 10-20-2012, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by rjd598

I just drove a 13 s4 today and was blown away. Wow what machine that thing is. For comparison I drove a 335is after and it was great but truly Audi interior is perfection. Just sitting in the BMW at first made me dislike it with the lower quality interior. Overall both great cars but s4 takes the cake

the s4 is perfection. and with a $1500 Stasis tune you've got 420hp and you keep your warranty.

Cdnrockies · 10-20-2012, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Raja Ventureshield

Someone please help me understand this.

Why would somoene buy a car that is inferior and has all kinds of issues?

Fanboi much?

rjd598 · 10-20-2012, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by freshwhite335

the s4 is perfection. and with a $1500 Stasis tune you've got 420hp and you keep your warranty.

Spot on. Wish I could get into one for a dd and then have the m3 as my "weekend" car

Raja Ventureshield · 10-20-2012, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by freshwhite335

the s4 is perfection. and with a $1500 Stasis tune you've got 420hp and you keep your warranty.

sTATIS maintains warranty? sweet.

fireline43 · 01-12-2013, 09:23 PM

You really don't hear much about jaguar. My dad's friend owns a 2006 jag x-type and loves it and hasn't had any problems. The 2013 xf looks pretty slow with the engine they dumped in it though. I def plan to own one some day though. I don't even think peoples reactions to them are bad because no one really understands them. You tell people you own a bmw and they cringe, but you tell them you own a jaguar and they kind of don't know what to say. I think some uneducated people think your talking about the merc cougar.

TSM330i · 01-12-2013, 11:02 PM

I have a 2000 VW Golf GL with 212,000 miles on it and have had barely any issues other than normal wear and tear. The exhaust had to be replaced after 10 years, radiator after 11 years and I've only replaced the timing belt once at 160,000 miles!
I have literally put two sets of brakes on the car. The original sett lasted me 100,000 miles and the second aftermarkets "only" lasted 75,000 miles.
Oh, I still have the original clutch too. It still grabs very well and will spin the tires when pulling out quickly.
Bottom line, just get what you like. I think it's a crap shoot with any car you buy!

azzurro · 01-12-2013, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by rjd598

I just drove a 13 s4 today and was blown away. Wow what machine that thing is. For comparison I drove a 335is after and it was great but truly Audi interior is perfection. Just sitting in the BMW at first made me dislike it with the lower quality interior. Overall both great cars but s4 takes the cake

The S4 is great until somebody has to sit in the back seats. I think the leather in the audi is more sporty and I'd give it an edge over the 335i but for me the body styling and looks of the 335i M Sport is far superior. The front and rear of the S4 looks great but the side view isn't all that. IMHO

Dan-12TTRS · 01-13-2013, 12:28 AM

Driving my 12 TT RS after my 11 135i... Audi is superior in all ways. I tried toget I to a 1M to no avail, bub to my advantage as I TRUELY believe I have the better overal car in my stable now. My interior blows away even that of any high end BMW, with all the lux options.

Audi makes one helluva lux interior into a spot on beast of a car.

Every car has issues, my 135i had the HPFP and almost left me stranded in the middle of the Alps!. But I have 6700 miles on the Audi and thankfully none to date.

Raja Ventureshield · 01-13-2013, 06:52 AM

i so QUIERO A7 Prestige or S7.

10-18-2012, 10:19 AM	#1
Raja Ventureshield Major General Drives: BMW M3 coupe Join Date: May 2007 Location: Northern VA Posts: 5,661 iTrader: (6)	Audi, Range Rover and Jaguars Someone please help me understand this. I keep on reading how bad these cars are but sales seem to indicate otherwise. I see Rovers/Jags/Audi(s) all over the DC area. Why would somoene buy a car that is inferior and has all kinds of issues?
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KingOfJericho Major General Drives: Yes Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CT Posts: 5,015 iTrader: (1) Garage List 2010 135i Coupe [2.63]	BMW isn't really famous for their reliability either... Also, my guess is that most of those cars are leases in which case it wouldn't really matter how reliable it is. I rarely see a Jag S-Type but when they first came out they were all over the place. Likely the same reason. __________________ The views and opinions expressed in this post are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of Bimmerpost. 2010 S4 Current \| 2010 BMW 135i Retired \| 2006 Lotus Exige Retired
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Silververtu Lieutenant Drives: 2013 550i M Sport Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: US of A Posts: 484 iTrader: (3)	Having an Audi for 7 years and still driving it while waiting for the new car arrives, no issues at all. But I heard Jag and RR do have lots of issues, such as their adaptive suspenion which cost a fortune to fix. __________________ 2013 550i M Sport Gone but not forgotten: 2006 2.0T A4 Avant, 2007 Z4 Roadster 3.0si, 2006 M Roadster
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freshwhite335 Colonel Drives: 2011 135i DCT Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: 904 FL Posts: 2,838 iTrader: (6) Garage List 2011 BMW 135i [0.00]	My 06 Range Rover was the most reliable car I've ever had. My sister has an 09 Audi S5 that has the same number of stupid problems all of our BMW have/have had. __________________ 2012 991 C2S Still have BMW's in the family: 2003 E39 M5, 2009 F01 750i, 2010 E92 335i
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rjd598 Brigadier General Drives: 10' M3 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: San Diego,CA Posts: 4,494 iTrader: (2) Garage List 2010 BMW M3 [4.50] 1999 BMW M3 [0.00]	I just drove a 13 s4 today and was blown away. Wow what machine that thing is. For comparison I drove a 335is after and it was great but truly Audi interior is perfection. Just sitting in the BMW at first made me dislike it with the lower quality interior. Overall both great cars but s4 takes the cake __________________ 10 E90 M3/dct/ztp/zpp/heated seats/eps/19'/iPod retired- 08 535i/nav/prem./L7/ipod retired- 06 325i/nav/prem./sat/xenons/style 128
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10-18-2012, 10:34 AM	#2
jsedlak First Lieutenant Drives: F30 335i 6spd Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Morristown, NJ Posts: 395 iTrader: (0)	Status? I don't hear to much in the way of Audi having problems, at least not in the way other VWs have problems. Jaguar has an interesting past... didn't realize Tata Motors bought them (and Land Rover).
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10-18-2012, 11:41 AM	#4
son_of_siggy Lieutenant Drives: CTS-V Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: United States Posts: 405 iTrader: (0)	They all have scarred pasts to one extent or another. Nowadays, most of them have ironed out the issues, but their pasts still follow them via the uninformed or headline-only readers.
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10-18-2012, 06:12 PM	#7
CAPSGOD Major Drives: Diesel Son Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: #yolo Posts: 1,136 iTrader: (0)	Probably the looks. Average person doesn't care about driving at 9/10ths and all three brands have stylish interiors & exteriors.
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BlackLemon Lieutenant Drives: 13-750i, 08-SuperG, 14 X5 50i Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 400 iTrader: (0)	my 2010 Jaguar XFR has been the best car ive ever owned, far superior then any MB and bmw Ive owned.
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10-19-2012, 06:48 AM	#10
Raja Ventureshield Major General Drives: BMW M3 coupe Join Date: May 2007 Location: Northern VA Posts: 5,661 iTrader: (6)	looks wise, i love these cars. But just been reading on forums that owners saying they would never own a audi/rr again. Not much Jag owners here. Jags are so nice, i love their interior. Just something i was trying to understand. Maybe I should see what the audi/rr/jag forums have to say about bimmers.
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fireline43 Lieutenant Drives: 2013 Mercedes C250 Join Date: May 2012 Location: South Florida Posts: 497 iTrader: (0)	You really don't hear much about jaguar. My dad's friend owns a 2006 jag x-type and loves it and hasn't had any problems. The 2013 xf looks pretty slow with the engine they dumped in it though. I def plan to own one some day though. I don't even think peoples reactions to them are bad because no one really understands them. You tell people you own a bmw and they cringe, but you tell them you own a jaguar and they kind of don't know what to say. I think some uneducated people think your talking about the merc cougar.
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01-12-2013, 11:02 PM	#19
TSM330i 2006 330i, TSM, Black, manual, sport Drives: E90 330i, E86 Z4 3.0si Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Chester Springs, PA Posts: 2,989 iTrader: (2)	I have a 2000 VW Golf GL with 212,000 miles on it and have had barely any issues other than normal wear and tear. The exhaust had to be replaced after 10 years, radiator after 11 years and I've only replaced the timing belt once at 160,000 miles! I have literally put two sets of brakes on the car. The original sett lasted me 100,000 miles and the second aftermarkets "only" lasted 75,000 miles. Oh, I still have the original clutch too. It still grabs very well and will spin the tires when pulling out quickly. Bottom line, just get what you like. I think it's a crap shoot with any car you buy! __________________ 2006 330i, TSM, Black, Sport, JIC Cross Coil-Overs, UUC Sways, 18" Advan RS, Mich PSS 255/265, BMW Electric Steering Wheel, Rogue shifter, M-Tech front, CF emblems, Dinan TB, Intake, exhaust, strut bar, Stoptech BBK, LSD, M3 susp., LUX 5, CF Hood and CSL, Sparco Seats, AA tune, CF Roof
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01-13-2013, 12:28 AM	#21
Dan-12TTRS Banned Drives: 12 Phantom Black Audi TTRS Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Glendale AZ Posts: 28 iTrader: (0)	Driving my 12 TT RS after my 11 135i... Audi is superior in all ways. I tried toget I to a 1M to no avail, bub to my advantage as I TRUELY believe I have the better overal car in my stable now. My interior blows away even that of any high end BMW, with all the lux options. Audi makes one helluva lux interior into a spot on beast of a car. Every car has issues, my 135i had the HPFP and almost left me stranded in the middle of the Alps!. But I have 6700 miles on the Audi and thankfully none to date.
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01-13-2013, 06:52 AM	#22
Raja Ventureshield Major General Drives: BMW M3 coupe Join Date: May 2007 Location: Northern VA Posts: 5,661 iTrader: (6)	i so QUIERO A7 Prestige or S7.
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