Macht Schnell Test Pipes Installed!! (dyno/video)

kaiv · 10-09-2012, 07:16 PM

Well, here's my latest mod and I'm pretty darn excited about it!

Got Macht Schnell Test Pipes!

I've been waiting for these to come out for a while now. Sure, there's a few full x-pipes on the market already but I feel they are ridiculously priced and I'm not sure they provide any added value. Plus I wanted something not outrageously loud.

It's clear to me now that those pipes are the best of both worlds. They're much cheaper than a full x-pipe + you get to keep the rest of your OE pipe. Secondaries and resonators stay intact, which means no smell and reasonable sound levels. Perfect!

OE vs OE + MS

Full pipe

10/10 fitment! Flanges line up perfectly, O2 bungs are positioned perfectly

A peak inside the stock headers

Now on to the results

We did a handful of before and after dyno runs. The last "before" and the last 'after' were the strongest runs (car keeps making power!). Below is the strongest "before" overlaid with the strongest "after":

<- me when I saw this

At this point I couldn't wait to drive the car! The gains are super consistent and throughout the entire RPM range!!

More graphs of the same runs with different data points I picked at 3500, 5500 and 6000rpm:

That's 15+tq at 3500! 20hp and 20tq at 6000rpm!

Talk about bang for the buck!

Run conditions:

Speed (all runs done in the same gear):

Driving impressions:

The car is an absolute monster! Complete animal! Not that it lacked power to begin with but the extra thrust combined with the sound of the intake/exhaust - I don't know how to describe it, it is just pure bliss!

Granted my tires are pretty old and worn - It is impossible for me to floor it in first and get any kind of traction whatsoever. I also noticed the car hops a bit rather than just spinning the wheels smoothly. I'm still on stock dampers and I'm guessing they might have enough control for my Eibach springs. Anyways that's another story.

I also had some concerns that sound levels would get a little crazy but not at all! The tone got a bit meaner and the car is a tiny bit louder but nothing drastic. Still 0 drone from the Supersprint cans and the cabin is still ridiculously quiet on the freeway. Just perfect!

And since I do not have a bone stock baseline I decided to take a look at my old E90 numbers on the same dyno:

(Peak numbers)

353/258 E90 stock
366/264 E90 with MS intake and pullies
367/261 E92 with MS intake and pullies
383/275 E92 with MS intake, pullies and pipes

Notice how similar the #s for both cars are with intake and pullies? Safe to say I just got a cool 30 peak whp from those 3 mods

I couldn't be happier!

Thanks for reading and also thanks EAS for yet an awesome experience!

I will be back for some dyno runs when I get a tune!

mkPOTO · 10-09-2012, 07:18 PM

very nice numbers now I want a power pulley!

rjd598 · 10-09-2012, 07:24 PM

Hell yes!!! That's awesome man. Really appreciate you doing this for the community instead of us all waiting for impressions and dynos. Some questions though: how much louder is your car now? Sound clips please?

also you have to cut up your oem xpipe to put these bad boys on right?

kaiv · 10-09-2012, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rjd598

Hell yes!!! That's awesome man. Really appreciate you doing this for the community instead of us all waiting for impressions and dynos. Some questions though: how much louder is your car now? Sound clips please?

also you have to cut up your oem xpipe to put these bad boys on right?

My pleasure! I love this kind of stuff

The video I posted is actually a before/after. I don't know if you can tell a difference in sound... If you're in SD you're welcome to check it out in person.

But yeah basically the car is not much louder at all. Just a little bit. Little different/meaner tone. Love it

Edit: yes you cut the stock pipes to put those on

flipm3 · 10-09-2012, 07:42 PM

Take note everyone...This is how you write a product review.

Congrats on the new power man! Macht Schnell did an amazing job with the fabrication work.

This is very tempting...I may have to call it quits with the E46 M3 and start leaving a larger carbon footprint with the E90...

mkPOTO · 10-09-2012, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flipm3

Take note everyone...This is how you write a product review.

Congrats on the new power man! Macht Schnell did an amazing job with the fabrication work.

This is very tempting...I may have to call it quits with the E46 M3 and start leaving a larger carbon footprint with the E90...

duh, you should dd the e46

brandymerrit · 10-09-2012, 08:07 PM

very nice numbers now I want a power pulley

rjd598 · 10-09-2012, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaiv

My pleasure! I love this kind of stuff

The video I posted is actually a before/after. I don't know if you can tell a difference in sound... If you're in SD you're welcome to check it out in person.

But yeah basically the car is not much louder at all. Just a little bit. Little different/meaner tone. Love it

Edit: yes you cut the stock pipes to put those on

Oh damn I didn't even notice hahaah I was going to say it sounded damn good but I was thinking the whole time the test pipes were in. Supersprint is mean then. Pm man I would love to meet up if you're ever free

StealYourFace · 10-09-2012, 08:33 PM

I love how much 'fuller' the exhuast sounds in the after.

Nice.

kaiv · 10-10-2012, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flipm3

Take note everyone...This is how you write a product review.

Congrats on the new power man! Macht Schnell did an amazing job with the fabrication work.

This is very tempting...I may have to call it quits with the E46 M3 and start leaving a larger carbon footprint with the E90...

LOL!

Thanks bro!

Just spread the mod budget on both cars

Quote:

Originally Posted by rjd598

Oh damn I didn't even notice hahaah I was going to say it sounded damn good but I was thinking the whole time the test pipes were in. Supersprint is mean then. Pm man I would love to meet up if you're ever free

Not sure when I'm free but if you can come to my area that may be easier

Weekdays easier too.

Quote:

Originally Posted by StealYourFace

I love how much 'fuller' the exhuast sounds in the after.

Nice.

Ditto! Thanks!

Orange fever · 10-10-2012, 12:29 PM

Great write-up. Next on the list

img · 10-10-2012, 01:25 PM

Nice gains !

atermechi · 10-10-2012, 01:32 PM

Does anyone know what this would sound like with a ACM exhaust? I have heard similar setups but curious to see how it would sound with just test pipes.

tom @ eas · 10-10-2012, 01:40 PM

Tune should get you that much closer to the 400hp club.

MikeE92M3 · 10-10-2012, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tom @ eas

Tune should get you that much closer to the 400hp club.

Get a group sale going

GJF · 10-10-2012, 02:52 PM

Great Gains!!

///Lyubm · 10-10-2012, 06:47 PM

need more sound clips without spinning dyno noise

AlpineE92M3 · 10-10-2012, 06:54 PM

Sounds Awesome!

tmntmn · 10-10-2012, 07:30 PM

aus · 10-11-2012, 01:35 AM

What do these run?
I like the clamp-on system as long as it doesn't leak. I should make re-installing the stock cats easier for smog later on.
That driver side pipe has a LOT of kinks in it.

.

kaiv · 10-11-2012, 03:01 AM

Thanks fellas! The car is fantastic stock but wow I'm having so much fun with it right now. It just begs to be floored; I want to say it takes a lot of maturity to not drive like a jackass

More power + more sound just makes the car oh so enjoyable!

kaiv · 10-15-2012, 05:26 PM

My car took fastest BMW of the day (and second place in RWD time attack class) this past saturday at Willow Springs with a 1:33.657. Not bad for having stock dampers and stock rotors/calipers. Must be all this extra power lol

10-09-2012, 07:16 PM	#1
kaiv Major Drives: E92 M3 Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,117 iTrader: (12)	Macht Schnell Test Pipes Installed!! (dyno/video) Well, here's my latest mod and I'm pretty darn excited about it! Got Macht Schnell Test Pipes! I've been waiting for these to come out for a while now. Sure, there's a few full x-pipes on the market already but I feel they are ridiculously priced and I'm not sure they provide any added value. Plus I wanted something not outrageously loud. It's clear to me now that those pipes are the best of both worlds. They're much cheaper than a full x-pipe + you get to keep the rest of your OE pipe. Secondaries and resonators stay intact, which means no smell and reasonable sound levels. Perfect! OE vs OE + MS Full pipe 10/10 fitment! Flanges line up perfectly, O2 bungs are positioned perfectly A peak inside the stock headers Now on to the results We did a handful of before and after dyno runs. The last "before" and the last 'after' were the strongest runs (car keeps making power!). Below is the strongest "before" overlaid with the strongest "after": <- me when I saw this At this point I couldn't wait to drive the car! The gains are super consistent and throughout the entire RPM range!! More graphs of the same runs with different data points I picked at 3500, 5500 and 6000rpm: That's 15+tq at 3500! 20hp and 20tq at 6000rpm! Talk about bang for the buck! Run conditions: Speed (all runs done in the same gear): Driving impressions: The car is an absolute monster! Complete animal! Not that it lacked power to begin with but the extra thrust combined with the sound of the intake/exhaust - I don't know how to describe it, it is just pure bliss! Granted my tires are pretty old and worn - It is impossible for me to floor it in first and get any kind of traction whatsoever. I also noticed the car hops a bit rather than just spinning the wheels smoothly. I'm still on stock dampers and I'm guessing they might have enough control for my Eibach springs. Anyways that's another story. I also had some concerns that sound levels would get a little crazy but not at all! The tone got a bit meaner and the car is a tiny bit louder but nothing drastic. Still 0 drone from the Supersprint cans and the cabin is still ridiculously quiet on the freeway. Just perfect! And since I do not have a bone stock baseline I decided to take a look at my old E90 numbers on the same dyno: (Peak numbers) 353/258 E90 stock 366/264 E90 with MS intake and pullies 367/261 E92 with MS intake and pullies 383/275 E92 with MS intake, pullies and pipes Notice how similar the #s for both cars are with intake and pullies? Safe to say I just got a cool 30 peak whp from those 3 mods I couldn't be happier! Thanks for reading and also thanks EAS for yet an awesome experience! I will be back for some dyno runs when I get a tune!
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10-09-2012, 07:18 PM	#2
mkPOTO Mr. Nice Says Hello Drives: 1999 528I Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Chicago Posts: 13,492 iTrader: (19) Garage List 2008 BMW E92 M3 [2.66] 1999 BMW E39 528i [2.20] 2007 BMW E92 335I [3.00]	very nice numbers now I want a power pulley! __________________ BMW E92 M3 EVOLVE Stage II \| EVOLVE X-Pipe \| EVOLVE E-Tronic Exhaust Macht Schnell Stage II intake \| KW V3 \| Volk TE37SL \| BMW Performance Spoiler

10-09-2012, 07:24 PM	#3
rjd598 Brigadier General Drives: 10' M3 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: San Diego,CA Posts: 3,180 iTrader: (1) Garage List 2010 BMW M3 [4.50] 2000 Nissan Maxima SE [0.00]	Hell yes!!! That's awesome man. Really appreciate you doing this for the community instead of us all waiting for impressions and dynos. Some questions though: how much louder is your car now? Sound clips please? also you have to cut up your oem xpipe to put these bad boys on right? __________________ 10 E90 M3/dct/ztp/zpp/heated seats/eps/19'/iPod retired- 08 535i/nav/prem./L7/ipod retired- 06 325i/nav/prem./sat/xenons/style 128

10-09-2012, 07:42 PM	#5
flipm3 E46 + E90 Drives: E46 M3 + E90 M3 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Illinois Posts: 2,473 iTrader: (1) Garage List 2009 BMW M3 [0.00] 2002 BMW M3 [0.00]	Take note everyone...This is how you write a product review. Congrats on the new power man! Macht Schnell did an amazing job with the fabrication work. This is very tempting...I may have to call it quits with the E46 M3 and start leaving a larger carbon footprint with the E90... __________________ 2002 E46 M3 6MT \| Jet Black . Black Nappa \| My Build Thread 2009 E90 M3 DCT \| Melbourne Red . Speed Cloth

10-09-2012, 08:07 PM	#7
brandymerrit New Member Drives: bmw Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: nice Posts: 6 iTrader: (0)	very nice numbers now I want a power pulley __________________

10-09-2012, 08:33 PM	#9
StealYourFace Lieutenant Drives: 2006 330i sport Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Shakedown Street, Buffalo NY Posts: 478 iTrader: (1)	I love how much 'fuller' the exhuast sounds in the after. Nice. __________________ 330i ~ BMW Perf. Susp. ~ M3 Front Control Arms ~ BMW Perf Exhaust ~ 3.38 lsd ~ 230s ~ Pilot Super Sports

10-10-2012, 12:29 PM	#11
Orange fever Major Drives: M3E90 and M3E46 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: in the hood!!! Posts: 1,197 iTrader: (3)	Great write-up. Next on the list __________________ X5M stockfornow/Classic mini"71 w/vtec motor

10-10-2012, 01:25 PM	#12
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10-10-2012, 01:32 PM	#13
atermechi Private Drives: e92 m3 MR Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Woodland Hills Posts: 80 iTrader: (0)	Does anyone know what this would sound like with a ACM exhaust? I have heard similar setups but curious to see how it would sound with just test pipes.

10-10-2012, 01:40 PM	#14
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10-10-2012, 02:52 PM	#16
GJF New Member Drives: m3 Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Earth Posts: 6 iTrader: (0)	Great Gains!!

10-10-2012, 06:47 PM	#17
///Lyubm Second Lieutenant Drives: 2011 competition m3 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Portland Posts: 244 iTrader: (19)	need more sound clips without spinning dyno noise

10-10-2012, 06:54 PM	#18
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10-11-2012, 01:35 AM	#20
aus Major General Drives: M3 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Seal Beach, CA Posts: 6,165 iTrader: (5)	What do these run? I like the clamp-on system as long as it doesn't leak. I should make re-installing the stock cats easier for smog later on. That driver side pipe has a LOT of kinks in it. . __________________ Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by some of the top engineers in the world because some guys sponsored by a company told you it's "better??" But when you ask the same guy about tracking, "oh no, I have a kid now" or "I just detailed my car." or "i just got new tires."

10-11-2012, 03:01 AM	#21
kaiv Major Drives: E92 M3 Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,117 iTrader: (12)	Thanks fellas! The car is fantastic stock but wow I'm having so much fun with it right now. It just begs to be floored; I want to say it takes a lot of maturity to not drive like a jackass More power + more sound just makes the car oh so enjoyable!

10-15-2012, 05:26 PM	#22
kaiv Major Drives: E92 M3 Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,117 iTrader: (12)	My car took fastest BMW of the day (and second place in RWD time attack class) this past saturday at Willow Springs with a 1:33.657. Not bad for having stock dampers and stock rotors/calipers. Must be all this extra power lol

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