BMW M3 Forum (E90 E92)

BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Go Back   M3Post - BMW M3 Forum > E90/E92 M3 Technical Topics > Track / Autocross / Dragstrip / Driving Techniques
 
MaxcySpeed & Company
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      10-07-2012, 09:06 PM   #1
bigjae1976
Takes threads off topic...daily
 
bigjae1976's Avatar
 
Drives: 11 E90 M3 Individual
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Milwaukee, WI

Posts: 5,078
iTrader: (11)

Garage List
2004 BMW M3  [4.50]
2011 BMW E90 M3  [5.00]
2013 BMW 328i  [5.00]
Pagids vrs Performance Friction

Looking at either the Pagid Yellows or the PF01s for my ST60 BBK that I will install shortly.

I've had a lot of experience with the PF01s and do like them. I do wonder if the Pagid yellows provide the same bite and heat capacity as the PF01s while minimizing the noise.

I've found that my rotors will be unservicable from heat cracking long before I reach min thickness. So I don't think accelerated wear from daily driving on a track pad will matter much.

Opinions?
__________________


Sponsored by Momentum BMW #593...We Bleed BMW BLUE!
bigjae1976 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      10-07-2012, 09:55 PM   #2
Porschefile
Major
 
Porschefile's Avatar
 
Drives: E92 M3 DCT, E46, '12 ZX6R
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Tennessee

Posts: 1,153
iTrader: (6)

I believe that the yellows will have less bite than 01's (prob the same or similar amount to
08/06 PFC). I like PFC a lot and stick with them because they've always done well for me.

Yellows are an endurance compound like 06/08. I think Pagid makes Orange/Black pads that are more similar to 01.
Porschefile is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      10-08-2012, 12:23 AM   #3
RickyBobby
Lieutenant
 
RickyBobby's Avatar
 
Drives: M3
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: NorCal

Posts: 448
iTrader: (1)

The st60's have ridiculous stopping power so don't be so quick to jump to a pfc01. I run the pfc06's in mine and they still have too much bite in my opinion.
I've never done any back to back comparisons of the pads you mentioned so can't comment on the torque or heat capacity but can venture a guess that they will all squeal like pigs on the street.
RickyBobby is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      10-08-2012, 09:41 AM   #4
bigjae1976
Takes threads off topic...daily
 
bigjae1976's Avatar
 
Drives: 11 E90 M3 Individual
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Milwaukee, WI

Posts: 5,078
iTrader: (11)

Garage List
2004 BMW M3  [4.50]
2011 BMW E90 M3  [5.00]
2013 BMW 328i  [5.00]
Hmm...good point. Luckily I just invested in a HANS!

I guess I've heard and seen mixed reviews with the Pagid yellows as far as noise. I've seen and heard some with the garbage truck sound...others seem pretty quiet.
__________________


Sponsored by Momentum BMW #593...We Bleed BMW BLUE!
bigjae1976 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      10-08-2012, 10:00 AM   #5
adc
Brigadier General
 
Drives: 2009 E90 M3 ED
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: MD/DC

Posts: 4,033
iTrader: (6)

Quote:
Originally Posted by bigjae1976 View Post
I guess I've heard and seen mixed reviews with the Pagid yellows as far as noise. I've seen and heard some with the garbage truck sound...others seem pretty quiet.
Mine can squeal pretty loud after they get some heat into them in daily driving. I left mine on from end of August to beginning of October between 2 track events and it was borderline ok. Some days better, some days worse. Not sure how much it matters, but I am on stock brakes so the pads have the OEM-style clips and I am pretty generous with the anti-squeak compound paste.

Rotor wear is minimal so that's not an issue, but personally could not use the yellows for long term daily driving.
__________________

2009 E90 M3 ED
2014 X1 28i
2000 Boxster
adc is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      10-08-2012, 10:05 AM   #6
adc
Brigadier General
 
Drives: 2009 E90 M3 ED
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: MD/DC

Posts: 4,033
iTrader: (6)

Quote:
Originally Posted by bigjae1976 View Post
I guess I've heard and seen mixed reviews with the Pagid yellows as far as noise. I've seen and heard some with the garbage truck sound...others seem pretty quiet.
Mine can squeal pretty loud after they get some heat into them in daily driving. I left mine on from end of August to beginning of October between 2 track events and it was borderline ok. Some days better, some days worse. Not sure how much it matters, but I am on stock brakes so the pads have the OEM-style clips and I am pretty generous with the anti-squeak compound paste.

Rotor wear is minimal so that's not an issue, but personally could not use the yellows for long term daily driving.
__________________

2009 E90 M3 ED
2014 X1 28i
2000 Boxster
adc is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      10-08-2012, 10:09 AM   #7
adc
Brigadier General
 
Drives: 2009 E90 M3 ED
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: MD/DC

Posts: 4,033
iTrader: (6)

Quote:
Originally Posted by bigjae1976 View Post
I guess I've heard and seen mixed reviews with the Pagid yellows as far as noise. I've seen and heard some with the garbage truck sound...others seem pretty quiet.
Mine can squeal pretty loud after they get some heat into them in daily driving. I left mine on from end of August to beginning of October between 2 track events and it was borderline ok. Some days better, some days worse. Not sure how much it matters, but I am on stock brakes so the pads have the OEM-style clips and I am pretty generous with the anti-squeak compound paste.

Rotor wear is minimal so that's not an issue, but personally could not use the yellows for long term daily driving.
__________________

2009 E90 M3 ED
2014 X1 28i
2000 Boxster
adc is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      10-08-2012, 01:42 PM   #8
besiktas
Ultimate Driver for the Ultimate Driving Machine
 
Drives: BMW M3 E92
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: VA

Posts: 970
iTrader: (0)

I use the PF-08s all around. put them on in Aug for VIR, they have been on the car since then. they squeak like crazy, very embarrassing on the street. they squeak at the track as well but once you hit them hard couple times the squeak goes away. I used them last weekend on Summit Point, and will keep them on until i finish the November 12-13 VIR event. The stopping power is amazing but if you want to keep them on the street, you could use a set of earplugs
__________________

BMW M3 E92 - Silverstone II
besiktas is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      10-08-2012, 04:42 PM   #9
MaxL
Captain
 
Drives: E90 M3, Cayenne T, 991 GT3
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Bay Area

Posts: 931
iTrader: (0)

Pagid yellows in BBK here - silent for the first 4 months and 5,000 miles and over a dozen of track days. Now they make slight noise. I can only hear them with windows down though. I think re-applying the anti-squeal compound would silence them again, but I'm too lazy to try.
MaxL is offline   Canada
0
Reply With Quote
      10-08-2012, 07:15 PM   #10
ThunderMoose
Captain
 
Drives: 2009 C2S and 2003 E46 M3
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: League City, TX

Posts: 951
iTrader: (0)

I run pagid yellows. I think they're pretty quiet and brake very well.
ThunderMoose is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      10-08-2012, 07:17 PM   #11
turbo8765
Second Lieutenant
 
Drives: M3
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: US

Posts: 239
iTrader: (0)

I've run the PFC01 and the RS19 and couldn't discern a difference in noise.

Very similar pads all around.
turbo8765 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      10-08-2012, 10:55 PM   #12
rzm3
Moderator
 
rzm3's Avatar
 
Drives: E92 M3
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: USA

Posts: 4,585
iTrader: (14)

I think the 01 is more like a sprint pad with med-high braking torque (more of a RS 14 black), where as Pagid RS 19/29 yellows are endurance pads with medium braking torque.
__________________
E92 M3 DCT - AiM EVO4 Data Logger / AiM SmartyCam HD / KW Competition 2-Way / OMP ARS Racing Seats / Brembo GT 365 / Pagid Yellow RS-29 / Rear Seats Delete
rzm3 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      10-12-2012, 07:43 AM   #13
bigjae1976
Takes threads off topic...daily
 
bigjae1976's Avatar
 
Drives: 11 E90 M3 Individual
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Milwaukee, WI

Posts: 5,078
iTrader: (11)

Garage List
2004 BMW M3  [4.50]
2011 BMW E90 M3  [5.00]
2013 BMW 328i  [5.00]
OK...I think I'll stick with the 01s or 06s. They've served me well so far, why change? I just need to stop being lazy and swap pads.
__________________


Sponsored by Momentum BMW #593...We Bleed BMW BLUE!
bigjae1976 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      10-12-2012, 03:21 PM   #14
ortho281
Captain
 
ortho281's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 E92 M3 6MT
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Katy, TX

Posts: 646
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by bigjae1976 View Post
OK...I think I'll stick with the 01s or 06s. They've served me well so far, why change? I just need to stop being lazy and swap pads.
I hate swapping pads (OEM calipers) but hate squealing even more. I had the 06's on track/street for almost a month and the squealing was louder than I could bear. I then switched to Hawk HPS but they only lasted 3 track days before the fronts gave up. I'm now running PFC Z-rated pads and found that they held up quite well on the track and are also quiet on the street. If you don't mind swapping pads, then that's the best of both worlds.
__________________

Akra Evo / MS stage 2 / MS UDP / VF Tune / KW S/O springs / Vorshlag plates / ST 380/355 BBK / ST SR34 pads / Apex Arc-8 / Nitto NT01 / Cantrell Motorsports roll cage / Recaro Profi / Schroth Profi II-6 / BMW Performance Alcantera wheel
ortho281 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      10-12-2012, 03:44 PM   #15
bigjae1976
Takes threads off topic...daily
 
bigjae1976's Avatar
 
Drives: 11 E90 M3 Individual
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Milwaukee, WI

Posts: 5,078
iTrader: (11)

Garage List
2004 BMW M3  [4.50]
2011 BMW E90 M3  [5.00]
2013 BMW 328i  [5.00]
I've tried the stoptech pads (similar to the Z-rated) and they just don't cut it. So I'm will continue to swap pads...in fact I have to swap my pads tonight and I'm feeling pretty lazy right now. I'm thinking, "my street pads should be OK...maybe?".
__________________


Sponsored by Momentum BMW #593...We Bleed BMW BLUE!
bigjae1976 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      10-12-2012, 06:51 PM   #16
paradocs98
Major
 
paradocs98's Avatar
 
Drives: 2014 991 Carrera S
Join Date: May 2009
Location: NY

Posts: 1,342
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxL View Post
Pagid yellows in BBK here - silent for the first 4 months and 5,000 miles and over a dozen of track days. Now they make slight noise. I can only hear them with windows down though. I think re-applying the anti-squeal compound would silence them again, but I'm too lazy to try.
12+ trackdays is good longevity from Pagids. I've been running RS29s (yellow endurance) all around in my StopTech ST60/ST40 setup, both on the track and the street. I put them in last April at the start of track season, and the rears still have life left, but I had to change the fronts after about 8 trackdays.

Overall they've been great and have certainly held up better than the StopTech Street Performance pads that shipped with the kit. I'll put a set of the Street Perf pads back in for wintertime.

Noise when cold is there, but not absolutely horrible. It's most pronounced when backing up and then braking, such as in a parking lot. You know--when you're going the slowest and people can really glare at you...
__________________
IB E90 M3 ZCP returned to BMW FS
paradocs98 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:29 PM.




m3post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST