Open Track Day: Speed District - October 21, 2012 @ Willow Springs Raceway

[OC3]

Originally Posted by Minicorsa

had a great time thanks for throwing another awesome event.

Wow!

[THE-FN-MAN]

Originally Posted by Minicorsa

had a great time thanks for throwing another awesome event.

Danny your a mad man bro!

[OC ///M]

Originally Posted by slicer

...The only negative for me was that my car (996 C2) did not enjoy the event. Worst-case the engine is done. Wish me luck with that.... I should have brought the M3.

Hopefully you didn't blow the motor bro, but at least you got a few sessions in before you were sidelined. Keep us posted, glad to hear you made it back ok after a long tow home.

[tightie]

Originally Posted by slicer

I was of course being sarcastic based on the video posted. I had a great time at the event and enjoyed the lack of traffic on the track. Especially considering it was my first event. Jordan was a great instructor!

The only negative for me was that my car (996 C2) did not enjoy the event. Worst-case the engine is done. Wish me luck with that.... I should have brought the M3.

Ah! I didn't know it was you.

Don't worry, those things are cheap to rebuild. Hopefully you won't need a rebuild or anything, hopefully it is something small

I'll see you and the M3 at the next event.

[slicer]

Originally Posted by tightie

Ah! I didn't know it was you.

Don't worry, those things are cheap to rebuild. Hopefully you won't need a rebuild or anything, hopefully it is something small

I'll see you and the M3 at the next event.

What is your definition of cheap? The cheapest I have seen is $7500 the most expensive is $15000. That doesn't feel cheap to me Do you know a reputable Porsche water-coooled engine builder in SoCal?

There are metal shavings in the oil / filter so I'm toast...

[persian54]

Originally Posted by slicer

What is your definition of cheap? The cheapest I have seen is $7500 the most expensive is $15000. That doesn't feel cheap to me Do you know a reputable Porsche water-coooled engine builder in SoCal?

There are metal shavings in the oil / filter so I'm toast...

so what happened to cause this..?

[tightie]

Originally Posted by slicer

What is your definition of cheap? The cheapest I have seen is $7500 the most expensive is $15000. That doesn't feel cheap to me Do you know a reputable Porsche water-coooled engine builder in SoCal?

There are metal shavings in the oil / filter so I'm toast...

I did a quick search on eBay but I think it will be cheaper to rebuild. Let me speak to my buddy who owns a shop, maybe he can give you a good deal.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-2002...sories&vxp=mtr

(Just for reference)

[tightie]

How about this?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...sories&vxp=mtr

[slicer]

Originally Posted by persian54

so what happened to cause this..?

I'm not sure yet. Will require tearing the engine apart to determine the official cause. I'm in the process of determining whether it is worth it to tear apart / rebuild the current motor or buy a replacement. Obviously it will not be worth the time / money to determine the cause if I plan to scrap the existing engine.

To be clear - this is not an M3 engine problem. I witnessed M3's running flawlessly at the track all day!

[persian54]

Originally Posted by slicer

I'm not sure yet. Will require tearing the engine apart to determine the official cause. I'm in the process of determining whether it is worth it to tear apart / rebuild the current motor or buy a replacement. Obviously it will not be worth the time / money to determine the cause if I plan to scrap the existing engine.

To be clear - this is not an M3 engine problem. I witnessed M3's running flawlessly at the track all day!

I'm asking because I'm looking into getting a C2... (997 though)...I know the S65 is a champ...

[slicer]

Originally Posted by tightie

How about this?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...sories&vxp=mtr

Great idea and the GT3 motor is a much more robust engine but I don't think the chassis and necessary modifications are worth the effort / cost. Apparently it's not a simple swap to put the GT3 engine or a 3.6l engine into a 3.4l car like mine. There are companies that increase the displacement of your 3.4l (flat six innovations) and upgrade the internals but it appears that is a $15k endeavor. The chassis is not worth that investment IMO. I think I either sell the car as-is, buy a used 3.4l motor, or have mine rebuilt. I'm trying to figure out the best option and I need to determine who is qualified to build these engines. I want it done right if I rebuild....

[slicer]

Originally Posted by persian54

I'm asking because I'm looking into getting a C2... (997 though)...I know the S65 is a champ...

I would not consider a 997 C2.

The only late model 911 (996 or 997) that I would consider is one with a Metzger motor = GT3 or Turbo. I think the 2009+ cars have engine improvements but the Metzger motor is supposed to be the best (that block has been around since the late 80's). The main weak point of the non-metzger engine is the IMS bearing. Not sure yet but my IMS may have caused the failure (google IMS bearing if you have not heard of it). AND I had an LN Engineering IMS ceramic bearing upgrade installed in march of this year. Again not sure if that was the failure but some of the symptoms point to that. Many people say the IMS issue is over-stated on the forums. After talking to some local engine builders, I will tell you I think it's under-stated.

[dapopa9]

Great meeting you out at the track. Hopefully it works out without being too costly. Although huge clouds of blue smoke were rolling out of the back when I saw it during your first session while I was taking pics up by the balcony.

Originally Posted by slicer

I'm not sure yet. Will require tearing the engine apart to determine the official cause. I'm in the process of determining whether it is worth it to tear apart / rebuild the current motor or buy a replacement. Obviously it will not be worth the time / money to determine the cause if I plan to scrap the existing engine.

To be clear - this is not an M3 engine problem. I witnessed M3's running flawlessly at the track all day!

[slicer]

Originally Posted by dapopa9

Great meeting you out at the track. Hopefully it works out without being too costly. Although huge clouds of blue smoke were rolling out of the back when I saw it during your first session while I was taking pics up by the balcony.

Those clouds were not indicating good things to come... I added oil and the car ran well for a few more sessions. Then it was done. Some of the people I spoke with about the rebuild have said that the engine does not handle high g force and I probably starved the engine of oil during cornering. Apparently there are some upgrades to help combat the issue. Call me crazy but I don't think a Porsche should require upgrades to handle cornering....