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      07-18-2007, 09:34 AM   #1
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135i > $38k belief thread

Anyone else think that all these rumors spreading around about the 135i being 30-33k is complete BS?

I mean think about it. Who in the hell would buy a 335i if the 1 series is an all around better performer for $8k less?

I honestly don't think the 135i will command anything less than $38k base. Of course, base on the 135i has pretty much most of the options, but still, that's alot higher than $33 or $35k.

It's the same size as an e46, will have better performance than a 335i, same engine as the 335i, transmission, brakes, handling and ride quality will all be up to par on the 135i. It even looks very classy and the interior is a big step up. There's just no reason this car will be priced anywhere near $30k base. IMO the 128i will be $31k base, 135i $38.
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The reason why the 135i won't start at $38k is because a 335i coupe starts at $40,800 and the 328i coupe starts at $35,200.

BMW does not price the highest model of a series line HIGHER than the lowest model of the series line immediately above it.

The 335i coupe is still $4k LESS than a base 528i.

My guess still stands at the 135i starting at $32-35k.
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The reason why the 135i won't start at $38k is because a 335i coupe starts at $40,800 and the 328i coupe starts at $35,200.

BMW does not price the highest model of a series line HIGHER than the lowest model of the series line immediately above it.

The 335i coupe is still $4k LESS than a base 528i.

My guess still stands at the 135i starting at $32-35k.
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Well, thats an interesting circumstance, because the 335i coupe was indeed more expensive than the 525i when the were both out at the same time.

I couldnt figure out why n54 3er drivers were freaing out that the little 1 series had its engine. But this is actually the first time in recent memory that a lower series has shared every engine with the series above it. The 5 never got the 7's V12, the 3 never got the 5's V8. I like the idea of an available 135i to strengthen the performance aspect of the brand.

With that in mind, I don't think it'll cost more than 38k, but we might be surprised as to how close it is.
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      07-18-2007, 10:24 AM   #5
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Oh, the 135i will definitely cost more than $38k optioned out without question. But there is no way BMW is going to make the base price $38k.

And actually, there has always been sharing of engines between series. The 525 shared the same engine as the 325. E34 with E36, E39 with E46, and now E60 with E90.

The current 550i shares the same engine as the 750i/Li, 650Ci, and X5 4.8i.
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Best of luck to BMW at that price point.
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I'm with you on this......my guess is 135 base price is $37-38k
$33-35k will be the 128 with lots of options
ppl alwasy say BMW have never done this and that before, but BMW also never done a twin turbo engine before.
we have to think what the car is worth...not what the price of the next higher model is

Lets make a bet......do a pool
line is 135 USA base price over/under $35,000.00
whoever wants to bet put in $5...is there a website to do pools like this?

I'll grab all yall lunch money


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Anyone else think that all these rumors spreading around about the 135i being 30-33k is complete BS?

I mean think about it. Who in the hell would buy a 335i if the 1 series is an all around better performer for $8k less?

I honestly don't think the 135i will command anything less than $38k base. Of course, base on the 135i has pretty much most of the options, but still, that's alot higher than $33 or $35k.

It's the same size as an e46, will have better performance than a 335i, same engine as the 335i, transmission, brakes, handling and ride quality will all be up to par on the 135i. It even looks very classy and the interior is a big step up. There's just no reason this car will be priced anywhere near $30k base. IMO the 128i will be $31k base, 135i $38.
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Oh, the 135i will definitely cost more than $38k optioned out without question. But there is no way BMW is going to make the base price $38k.

And actually, there has always been sharing of engines between series. The 525 shared the same engine as the 325. E34 with E36, E39 with E46, and now E60 with E90.

The current 550i shares the same engine as the 750i/Li, 650Ci, and X5 4.8i.

Of course tdc there's always been sharing. But I cant remember the last time in america that we saw the top engine in a higher level chassis going into a lower level chassis. Everything else is fair game, of course.


But come on guys, of course you can option it to be more than 38. You can option a lot of cars like that to be 38k. When I was looking at the Z, I was looking at around 37k for a well-equipped Track version ('05ish, i guess it was)
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      07-18-2007, 11:54 AM   #9
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The reason why the 135i won't start at $38k is because a 335i coupe starts at $40,800 and the 328i coupe starts at $35,200.

BMW does not price the highest model of a series line HIGHER than the lowest model of the series line immediately above it.

The 335i coupe is still $4k LESS than a base 528i.

My guess still stands at the 135i starting at $32-35k.
I respect your opinion, i just cant bring myself to agree with you.

I just think a 135i from 32k-35k (cheaper than a G35) will just kill the sales of the 3 series. who's gonna pay an extra ~8,000 for different looks and slightly more space?
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Well, thats an interesting circumstance, because the 335i coupe was indeed more expensive than the 525i when the were both out at the same time.

I couldnt figure out why n54 3er drivers were freaing out that the little 1 series had its engine. But this is actually the first time in recent memory that a lower series has shared every engine with the series above it. The 5 never got the 7's V12, the 3 never got the 5's V8. I like the idea of an available 135i to strengthen the performance aspect of the brand.

With that in mind, I don't think it'll cost more than 38k, but we might be surprised as to how close it is.
I agree with you, I think the reason BMW did spread the engine throughout the entire line is because they are probably just as amazed by at is we are. It truly is a great engine, definetely one of the best on the entire car market out today, right up there with midengined porsche flat 6's
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      07-18-2007, 02:03 PM   #11
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I respect your opinion, i just cant bring myself to agree with you.

I just think a 135i from 32k-35k (cheaper than a G35) will just kill the sales of the 3 series. who's gonna pay an extra ~8,000 for different looks and slightly more space?
That's like asking who's going to pay an extra $10,000 for different looks and slightly more space between an E90 335i and an E60 535i. (Base price of a 335i sedan is $38,900 while the 535i is $49,400)

You might not but it's obvious there are quite a number of people that do since the 535i sells very well.

As for disagreeing, you're welcome to do what you will. However, just consider the other end of the spectrum with your figures. Why in the world would anyone purchase a 135i when a 335i can be had for ONLY $2000 more? You keep thinking about the effect it may have on 3-series sales but what you fail to realize is that the 1-series MUST be a homerun here in the US and pricing it within $2000 of a 335i coupe would be setting up the 135i to fail miserably.
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The reason why the 135i won't start at $38k is because a 335i coupe starts at $40,800 and the 328i coupe starts at $35,200.

BMW does not price the highest model of a series line HIGHER than the lowest model of the series line immediately above it.

The 335i coupe is still $4k LESS than a base 528i.

My guess still stands at the 135i starting at $32-35k.
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      07-31-2007, 12:46 PM   #13
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How anyone could think that the 135i would price at $38k when the 335i base is $40k is beyond me.

If the 1 series were priced TODAY, I believe that the 128i base would be $29k, +/- $1k, and the 135i base would be $34k, +/- $1k. Any lower would potentially cannibalize Mini Cooper S sales, any higher and they would not sell because the typical buyer would opt for a E92 instead.
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That's like asking who's going to pay an extra $10,000 for different looks and slightly more space between an E90 335i and an E60 535i. (Base price of a 335i sedan is $38,900 while the 535i is $49,400)

You might not but it's obvious there are quite a number of people that do since the 535i sells very well.

As for disagreeing, you're welcome to do what you will. However, just consider the other end of the spectrum with your figures. Why in the world would anyone purchase a 135i when a 335i can be had for ONLY $2000 more? You keep thinking about the effect it may have on 3-series sales but what you fail to realize is that the 1-series MUST be a homerun here in the US and pricing it within $2000 of a 335i coupe would be setting up the 135i to fail miserably.
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I can see what you are getting that from. In my opinion it will start at around $34K. With not as many standard options as the 335i. Maybe the Logic 7 and the automatic seats will be optional. $38K sounds a little too steep to me also because a $2k difference to the E92 is a bad marketing strategy. Can someone tell me why they are making a 1 series when the Z4 is almost the same except the rear seats?
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Read the specs.. it will be worth as much as a 335i and will be a better car. That said I think it will still be cheaper. But you have to remember the 135i comes standard with things that are either very expensive on the 335i or not even an option. This car should be close to an M performance/handling wise.
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M3 costs more then a low 5 series.. and this 135i is the M of its series.. so we will see
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Based on bmw usa :

535i (sedan) starts at : 49 400$
335i (sedan) starts at : 38 900$

Price difference of : 10 500$

528i (sedan) starts at : 44 300$
328i (sedan) starts at : 32 400$

Price difference of : 11 900$

750i (sedan) starts at : 75 800$
550i (sedan) starts at : 58 500$

Price difference of : 17 300$


Average price difference : 13 233.33$

With that average :

335i (coupe) starts at : 40 800$
Average price difference : 13 233.33$

135i (coupe) could start at : 27 566.67$



Haha that price actually doesn't make any sense...but I can't see how the price difference between the 135i and the 335i could be less than 8000$ wich would put the 135i at 32 800$ and that really make sense to me


I'm not an expert at all, this was just my technique to try guessing how much will the 135i costs!
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That's like asking who's going to pay an extra $10,000 for different looks and slightly more space between an E90 335i and an E60 535i. (Base price of a 335i sedan is $38,900 while the 535i is $49,400)

You might not but it's obvious there are quite a number of people that do since the 535i sells very well.

As for disagreeing, you're welcome to do what you will. However, just consider the other end of the spectrum with your figures. Why in the world would anyone purchase a 135i when a 335i can be had for ONLY $2000 more? You keep thinking about the effect it may have on 3-series sales but what you fail to realize is that the 1-series MUST be a homerun here in the US and pricing it within $2000 of a 335i coupe would be setting up the 135i to fail miserably.
Very good point. I hadnt thought about it that way!

We're just gonna have to wait and see I guess
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According to your logic, the price diff of the 135 to the 335 would be around $7500. If you notice, the price difference rises progressively as the model ranges go higher.

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Based on bmw usa :

535i (sedan) starts at : 49 400$
335i (sedan) starts at : 38 900$

Price difference of : 10 500$

528i (sedan) starts at : 44 300$
328i (sedan) starts at : 32 400$

Price difference of : 11 900$

750i (sedan) starts at : 75 800$
550i (sedan) starts at : 58 500$

Price difference of : 17 300$


Average price difference : 13 233.33$

With that average :

335i (coupe) starts at : 40 800$
Average price difference : 13 233.33$

135i (coupe) could start at : 27 566.67$

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Forget price, someone tell me why such a nice car doesn't have foglamps? I think that would really make the car look better and if they redid the front slightly.

FYI - I think the 1-series will start at 28K for the 128 and 32K for the 135.
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For us the 135i is amazing. Offers a great engine for most likely a lower price. But to the general public it will just be a new model.

For many the smaller look and kind of weird body style will make people want an E92 still.

So even if it is a couple $k difference people will still be buying the 3-series. I complain about how small my sedans back seats are. So obviously someone who really needs back seats unlike me will still be buying an E90.

There is still a huge market for the 3 series. Plus you will have the badge whores who will think the 3 series is better just because the higher the number the better the car.

I feel I am a prime example. When I trade in my car in a year or so. I have a feeling I won't get the 135i. but will opt for the 335i coupe instead just because of looks and needs.
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