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      03-11-2015, 11:01 AM   #1
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Arrow M4 vs E92 M3 vs 1M

Very balanced review of the three here:

http://www.bimmerfile.com/2014/06/23...e92-m3-and-1m/

When BMW introduces a new M car it's worth celebrating the moment. For us that means bringing together the old and the new to gain an understanding of where the new M4 falls within the annals of M history. Luckily it all came together one early June day in central Wisconsin. With Road America at our disposal and some of the finest roads in the midwest around us, we found ourselves with low mileage examples of the BMW 1M, E92 M3 (with Competition package) and two M4s – one manual and one DCT.

The F82 M4 (and the F80 M3 which we'll be reviewing soon) represents the final piece of M's long planned transition into a new era. Gone are the celebrated high revving naturally aspirated engines we've known for years. In the engine bays of all M cars for 2014 are more powerful, faster and dramatically more efficient turbocharged engines that are both brutal and brilliant.

But can something that's more modern (and dare we say it – digital) satisfy the intangibles that have defined the M driving experience?




Highlights for the E9x:

"Eight individual throttle butterflies open the gates to what is one of the most sonorous sounds ever to come out of a production engine."

"The E92 is one of those rare cars that entertains at 15 MPH with its direct feel and response while being completely buttoned down yet thrilling on a track at 155."

"Driven back to back with the new M4 you’re immediately struck by the steering. Comparatively so direct and so pure it makes you realize that, as good as the new M4 is, it can’t quite match the E92 for immediacy. It’s especially noticed at low speeds where you can feel every aspect of the surface and how your car is reacting to it."

"This is an engine dripping with drama from the moment you push start. Its 8,300 redline tells you most of what you need to know. It rewards the driver for digging deep into the rev range. The refined roar that builds makes the M4’s brilliant inline six S55 feel antiseptic.

And then you realize that BMW (nor any other manufacturer) will ever build an engine like it again. The S65 represents a moment in time that has come and gone and yet will never be forgotten."


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Sorry, but IMHO my modified 335I > the M4.
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      03-11-2015, 12:08 PM   #3
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Cool article, thanks for posting.
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Sorry, but IMHO my modified 335I > the M4.
Totally not biased at all.
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Enjoyable read. Thanks OP.
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+1. This is a really good article. Thanks. Having driven two of the three cars extensively (the E92/M3 which I own, and the F82/M4 at ///M School), the review is spot on, unbiased and hits many key points. And the conclusion is much more mature than you usually see in a review;

"...the entire industry is changing and with it the M4’s historical competitors. Because of this, the metrics that the M4 is judged against have been altered by this new reality. And crucially it’s a reality that the E92 M3 and the 1M never had to solve. That alone makes both of those older M cars stand out as machines with less or different complexities and ultimately a bit more purity...(T)he M4 impresses at every level. Yet driving it illuminates the best qualities of the E92 M3 and the 1M. And driving them all back to back, you feel what you miss in the M4 just as much as you notice what you gain."
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Sorry, but IMHO my modified 335I > the M4.
modified m4> your modified 335i
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Sorry, but IMHO my modified 335I > the M4.
i'd rather have a stock m4 with a carbon roof and carbon drive shaft than any 335i that exists.


tune and exhaust m4s multiply that opinion exponentially.
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Sorry, but IMHO my modified 335I > the M4.
Haha! That's funny. Another 3 series owner who thinks their modded 335 will be better than any M car. I must have missed your thread on reviewing the 335i vs. the M4. Please enlightened us.
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Sorry, but IMHO my modified 335I > the M4.
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i'd rather have a stock m4 with a carbon roof and carbon drive shaft than any 335i that exists. tune and exhaust m4s multiply that opinion exponentially.
I'll take my concrete N54 over a soft engine any day of the week.
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I'll take my concrete N54 over a soft engine any day of the week.
I don't even know what that means
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Haha! That's funny. Another 3 series owner who thinks their modded 335 will be better than any M car. I must have missed your thread on reviewing the 335i vs. the M4. Please enlightened us.
On the contrary, please enlighten me on how the M4 > my modded 335I. We had someone mention some carbon fiber parts, but the 335I weighs much less than any M4, so that's a moot point.
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Isn't this basically the same thing that's said about every new M3? It's faster and more capable but loses something in the experience and connection.
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I'll take my concrete N54 over a soft engine any day of the week.
Explain soft engine.
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The f8x chassis is amazing, but the S55 is what leaves me wanting more. Not the level of power it has (which is plenty), but from the way it delivers the power. This generation m3 is starting to remind me of the e36, which had an amazing chassis and a disappointing engine (US spec m3s).
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Very balanced review of the three here:

http://www.bimmerfile.com/2014/06/23...e92-m3-and-1m/

When BMW introduces a new M car it's worth celebrating the moment. For us that means bringing together the old and the new to gain an understanding of where the new M4 falls within the annals of M history. Luckily it all came together one early June day in central Wisconsin. With Road America at our disposal and some of the finest roads in the midwest around us, we found ourselves with low mileage examples of the BMW 1M, E92 M3 (with Competition package) and two M4s – one manual and one DCT.

The F82 M4 (and the F80 M3 which we'll be reviewing soon) represents the final piece of M's long planned transition into a new era. Gone are the celebrated high revving naturally aspirated engines we've known for years. In the engine bays of all M cars for 2014 are more powerful, faster and dramatically more efficient turbocharged engines that are both brutal and brilliant.

But can something that's more modern (and dare we say it – digital) satisfy the intangibles that have defined the M driving experience?




Highlights for the E9x:

"Eight individual throttle butterflies open the gates to what is one of the most sonorous sounds ever to come out of a production engine."

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"Driven back to back with the new M4 you’re immediately struck by the steering. Comparatively so direct and so pure it makes you realize that, as good as the new M4 is, it can’t quite match the E92 for immediacy. It’s especially noticed at low speeds where you can feel every aspect of the surface and how your car is reacting to it."

"This is an engine dripping with drama from the moment you push start. Its 8,300 redline tells you most of what you need to know. It rewards the driver for digging deep into the rev range. The refined roar that builds makes the M4’s brilliant inline six S55 feel antiseptic.

And then you realize that BMW (nor any other manufacturer) will ever build an engine like it again. The S65 represents a moment in time that has come and gone and yet will never be forgotten."


It's ironic that you found this. I saw this article and was thinking of posting the same thing. As you probably know in addition to Bimmerfile, Gabe writes for Motoringfile (MINI) as well. He provides some fairly objective reviews. I personally think he nailed this one.

This is the "Real Story" of the trio, and I personally feel the same way. Definitely a worthy read
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I'll take my concrete N54 over a soft engine any day of the week.
my condolences.
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On the contrary, please enlighten me on how the M4 > my modded 335I. We had someone mention some carbon fiber parts, but the 335I weighs much less than any M4, so that's a moot point.
Well, for starters, you're comparing apples to oranges.
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I'll take my concrete N54 over a soft engine any day of the week.
That's a good argument for straight line performance but an engine doesn't make the car. The M4 is stiffer, lighter and overall handles a lot better than a 335i.

As for "soft engine".. in stock form, I don't see any issues with the M4's engine reliability? I see no need to add more power.
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On the contrary, please enlighten me on how the M4 > my modded 335I. We had someone mention some carbon fiber parts, but the 335I weighs much less than any M4, so that's a moot point.
E90 335i curb weight is 3590 lbs. M4 is 3585 lbs.
http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...fications.aspx
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Explain soft engine.
Well when you take a stock N55, then just reinforce only the crank, and rods, what you end up with is a soft engine.
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