Tight is good

dcs2k · 10-07-2012, 07:16 AM

08 DCT, mileage 50k miles. Accident free, all stock parts

Brought the car one year ago from the previous guy who was the first owner. Knew for a fact then he track the car approx 10+ times previously.

Now I just hopped out of my mate's '11 car with half the mileage and never been tracked. His the car feels so firm and tight compared to mine. My car feels like a old used whore that I cant extract any wonderful feelings out of , steering feels vague, loud groaning noise in the cabin under sprited driving and suspension feels off. His car on the other hand had such great response to any steering input,and feels tight and well... Reminds me of 20+ yr old ladies.

Short of doing an alightment, making sure all the screws are re-torqued to specs, is there anything I can do to make the car feels tighter?

is300wrx · 10-07-2012, 07:33 AM

Replace old and worn suspension parts with new ones

raywong · 10-07-2012, 07:38 AM

suspension bushings, ball joints, engine mounts, transmission mounts. how much will it cost?

FormulaMMM · 10-07-2012, 08:40 AM

Before you go crazy replacing this and that with regard to suspension and mounts, consider the obvious variables that may be contributing to the difference.

When I went from worn Contis to an RS-3 square setup (on my '08) it felt like Adrian Newey re-engineered the suspension and balance.

Everything that you describe save the groaning noise in the cabin (?) could be attributed to tires.

Mr. ///M3 RD · 10-07-2012, 10:34 AM

Your car needs a new "Pussy~Suspension"

Sorry I saw the James Bond "From Russia with Love" movie last night and I think Goldfingers "Pussy~Galore" is still on my mind

Mind you she is much older now too ... anyway in the movie she looked okay

MKE_M3 · 10-07-2012, 12:15 PM

By 50k miles, shocks and bushings are starting to wear. Probably nothing significant, but a new set of shocks and a couple strategically selected bushings willl probably go a long way. Tires can certainly also make a differance.

HALOTHANE · 10-07-2012, 05:16 PM

Vaginoplasty. Wait.....wrong forum.

klammer · 10-07-2012, 07:32 PM

I have 40k on my car and have recently changed the subframe bushings, the control arm ball joints, had the dinan monoball kit installed along with RD sport sways front and rear and shit is TIGHT

Transfer · 10-07-2012, 08:16 PM

+1 to the tires likely being part of it.

MStar · 10-07-2012, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M3RD

Your car needs a new "Pussy~Suspension"

Sorry I saw the James Bond "From Russia with Love" movie last night and I think Goldfingers "Pussy~Galore" is still on my mind

Mind you she is much older now too ... anyway in the movie she looked okay

LOL..

Pussy Galore: "My name is Pussy.. Pussy Galore"
James Bond "I must be dreaming"

Classic 60s sexual innuendo..love it

mlhj83 · 10-07-2012, 10:24 PM

Does your friend's M3 have the competition pack? If so, it will also be another reason why it feels "tighter" than a regular M3 due to the wider wheels, wider overall track width and being 10mm lower in ride height. Also, over the production life cycle of the M3, M have made tweaks to the steering as well. But a refreshed suspension and full geometry will certainly improve things quite a bit.

TVMA Doc · 10-08-2012, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by is300wrx

Replace old and worn suspension parts with new ones

Yeah, for on street use you are probably lucky to get more than 60-70k miles on the struts before you notice a difference. A car that has been tracked will probably be showing some strut wear at 50k miles.

TVMA Doc · 10-08-2012, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FormulaMMM

Before you go crazy replacing this and that with regard to suspension and mounts, consider the obvious variables that may be contributing to the difference.

When I went from worn Contis to an RS-3 square setup (on my '08) it felt like Adrian Newey re-engineered the suspension and balance.

Everything that you describe save the groaning noise in the cabin (?) could be attributed to tires.

Changing from Contis to driving on the bare wheels should actually be an improvement.

FormulaMMM · 10-08-2012, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TVMA Doc

Changing from Contis to driving on the bare wheels should actually be an improvement.

Ha! Nearly.

smmmurf · 10-08-2012, 07:10 PM

Nothing (legal) can really ever quite substitute for that first GF in HS

Fortunately you can always buy a new car if you have the money

DouglaCorbi · 10-08-2012, 07:55 PM

Tires can certainly also make a differance.

dcs2k · 10-09-2012, 09:26 AM

Thanks guys for the response and ideas how to get tight back.
Tires are new Michelin PSS. Thinking of getting KW CS, pardon me but does the struts gets replaced too if I get the coil over set?

Subframe bushings, control arm joints, was there a reason you changed those?

I was told updating the software will give better steering feel too

e1000 · 10-09-2012, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smmmurf

Nothing (legal) can really ever quite substitute for that first GF in HS

Fortunately you can always buy a new car if you have the money

10-07-2012, 07:16 AM	#1
dcs2k Lieutenant Drives: E92 M3 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Singapore Posts: 414 iTrader: (0)	08 DCT, mileage 50k miles. Accident free, all stock parts Brought the car one year ago from the previous guy who was the first owner. Knew for a fact then he track the car approx 10+ times previously. Now I just hopped out of my mate's '11 car with half the mileage and never been tracked. His the car feels so firm and tight compared to mine. My car feels like a old used whore that I cant extract any wonderful feelings out of , steering feels vague, loud groaning noise in the cabin under sprited driving and suspension feels off. His car on the other hand had such great response to any steering input,and feels tight and well... Reminds me of 20+ yr old ladies. Short of doing an alightment, making sure all the screws are re-torqued to specs, is there anything I can do to make the car feels tighter?
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10-07-2012, 08:40 AM	#4
FormulaMMM Captain Drives: E90 M3 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: MI Posts: 604 iTrader: (1)	Before you go crazy replacing this and that with regard to suspension and mounts, consider the obvious variables that may be contributing to the difference. When I went from worn Contis to an RS-3 square setup (on my '08) it felt like Adrian Newey re-engineered the suspension and balance. Everything that you describe save the groaning noise in the cabin (?) could be attributed to tires. __________________ Jerez Black E90 M3: Velos Designwerks Tune, Megan Racing Catback (past) / Akrapovic Evolution (present), Macht Schnell Filter, Stoptech ST-40 Fronts + Pagid RS29, Apex EC-7 18x10 ET25 + Hankook R-S3 275/35/18.

10-07-2012, 10:34 AM	#5
Mr. ///M3 RD Major General Drives: M3 Summer & C350 4MATIC Winter Join Date: May 2010 Location: GTA, Ontario - Canada Posts: 7,602 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2011 M3 Coupe e92 [3.00] 2011 Benz 350 4MATIC [1.00] 1969 Restored Merce ... [0.00] 1987 BMW 535is [0.50] Cars from the Past [1.50] The ///M3 Engine S65 [3.50]	Your car needs a new "Pussy~Suspension" Sorry I saw the James Bond "From Russia with Love" movie last night and I think Goldfingers "Pussy~Galore" is still on my mind Mind you she is much older now too ... anyway in the movie she looked okay Last edited by Mr. ///M3 RD; 10-07-2012 at 10:38 AM. Reason: Minor change

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MKE_M3 Lieutenant Colonel Drives: 2011 e90 M3 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 1,503 iTrader: (0)	By 50k miles, shocks and bushings are starting to wear. Probably nothing significant, but a new set of shocks and a couple strategically selected bushings willl probably go a long way. Tires can certainly also make a differance. __________________ M in love

10-07-2012, 07:32 PM	#8
klammer Colonel Drives: 11 spc gry m3 e90, 07 X5 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: chicago Posts: 2,762 iTrader: (0)	I have 40k on my car and have recently changed the subframe bushings, the control arm ball joints, had the dinan monoball kit installed along with RD sport sways front and rear and shit is TIGHT __________________ mods: akra evo, dinan 3.45 diff, ess akra tune, dinan stg.3, Alcon bbk, HRE P40

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is300wrx Private Drives: E90 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: CT Posts: 77 iTrader: (0)	Replace old and worn suspension parts with new ones

10-07-2012, 07:38 AM	#3
raywong Private First Class Drives: E92M3 Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 126 iTrader: (0)	suspension bushings, ball joints, engine mounts, transmission mounts. how much will it cost?

10-07-2012, 05:16 PM	#7
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10-07-2012, 08:16 PM	#9
Transfer Captain Drives: E90 M3, X1 xDrive28i Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 869 iTrader: (0)	+1 to the tires likely being part of it.

10-07-2012, 10:24 PM	#11
mlhj83 Scythe-Meister Drives: '11 E92 M3 DCT ZCP Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: London Posts: 895 iTrader: (0)	Does your friend's M3 have the competition pack? If so, it will also be another reason why it feels "tighter" than a regular M3 due to the wider wheels, wider overall track width and being 10mm lower in ride height. Also, over the production life cycle of the M3, M have made tweaks to the steering as well. But a refreshed suspension and full geometry will certainly improve things quite a bit.

10-08-2012, 07:10 PM	#15
smmmurf Lieutenant Colonel Drives: 2009 M3 Sedan 6MT Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Pleasanton, CA Posts: 1,978 iTrader: (7)	Nothing (legal) can really ever quite substitute for that first GF in HS Fortunately you can always buy a new car if you have the money __________________ M3 Sedan LCI - AW/Black - 6MT - no moonroof - no folding seats - RAC RG63 - clear bra by Omega Werks SFR SCCA Spec Miata Champion & driving coach (NASA, NCRC, PTech, private)

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DouglaCorbi New Member Drives: bmw Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: good Posts: 6 iTrader: (0)	Tires can certainly also make a differance. __________________

10-09-2012, 09:26 AM	#17
dcs2k Lieutenant Drives: E92 M3 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Singapore Posts: 414 iTrader: (0)	Thanks guys for the response and ideas how to get tight back. Tires are new Michelin PSS. Thinking of getting KW CS, pardon me but does the struts gets replaced too if I get the coil over set? Subframe bushings, control arm joints, was there a reason you changed those? I was told updating the software will give better steering feel too

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