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      09-01-2015, 07:11 AM   #1
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What is best winter set up for M3 E92 ZCP?

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I just bought my dream car and I love everything about it. However, living in Milwaukee means A LOTS of snow, and i don't have another car.

i did some research, and i found that the Blizzak WS80 are so damn good in snow, but i will need new wheels so that they can fit.

Any suggestions of what might be the best set up using the WS80, or not?
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if you don't care, pick up a nice 18s (219M) and put some snow tires on
but i think tirerack + cheap reliable asa or enkeis and chunky snow tires will do the job well
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Hi, guys

I just bought my dream car and I love everything about it. However, living in Milwaukee means A LOTS of snow, and i don't have another car.

i did some research, and i found that the Blizzak WS80 are so damn good in snow, but i will need new wheels so that they can fit.

Any suggestions of what might be the best set up using the WS80, or not?
I have a set of 18" ASA's with Blizzaks that I'm about to sell. PM me if you're interested.
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I run a square 18 set-up for winter. Check out tire rack for the wheels.
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305 square set up on comp wheels ftw lol

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Is the WS80 even available in sizes that fit this car? The WS-series is intended for "passenger" vehicles and not sporty ones. You might have to go for the LM-series instead.

I'd just do an 18" wheel/tire package and call it a day. There's a guy in the Great Lakes forum here selling used 219M and 220M wheels pretty cheap with the TPMS sensors. You could pick those up and then grab whatever winter tires you want (maybe 235/40R18 or 245/40R18).
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This is a bit of a tangent but I figured I will ask here since it's related instead of making a new thread.

What the widest tire size you can go on the stock 19" rims that come with the ZCP package? I will need to replace my PSS next season and I am think I want to go as wide as possible!

For the winter setup, I am going with 18" OEM style #270M for rims and Michelin Alpin PA3 for tires. That's the set up our local BMW dealerships sell as the 'winter package' so I am going to assume that these are good!
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This is a bit of a tangent but I figured I will ask here since it's related instead of making a new thread.

What the widest tire size you can go on the stock 19" rims that come with the ZCP package? I will need to replace my PSS next season and I am think I want to go as wide as possible!

For the winter setup, I am going with 18" OEM style #270M for rims and Michelin Alpin PA3 for tires. That's the set up our local BMW dealerships sell as the 'winter package' so I am going to assume that these are good!
This is what I run Winter time too. Looks nice and fair grip! (don't use spacers on Summer 359 but actually add 12mm rear for the 270, fender still covered but reduce some of the gap).

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This is a bit of a tangent but I figured I will ask here since it's related instead of making a new thread.

What the widest tire size you can go on the stock 19" rims that come with the ZCP package? I will need to replace my PSS next season and I am think I want to go as wide as possible!

For the winter setup, I am going with 18" OEM style #270M for rims and Michelin Alpin PA3 for tires. That's the set up our local BMW dealerships sell as the 'winter package' so I am going to assume that these are good!

There are plenty of guys running 285 width on the rear. That's even the OEM fitment on the GTS, which has the same 359 wheels (but in matte black).


The BMW "winter package" isn't any better than anything else out there, and it's going to be a colossal rip-off. The PA3 is fine as far as tires go, but we all know that they offer that tire since Michelin probably cut them the best deal. It works like that for a lot of things, including fluids.
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Oh I can imagine buying them from the dealer would be expensive. I just found a gently used set locally so I am picking that up.

For the width, is 285 the largest you think? Will they rub if it's any bigger? I wanted to get into 300's like Porsche's but sounds like it won't work on the OEM rim?
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Oh I can imagine buying them from the dealer would be expensive. I just found a gently used set locally so I am picking that up.

For the width, is 285 the largest you think? Will they rub if it's any bigger? I wanted to get into 300's like Porsche's but sounds like it won't work on the OEM rim?

There are some people who have gone larger, but that's becoming a safety issue IMHO (hydroplaning resistance, contact patch/pressure, etc). IIRC the sedans actually have a bit more wheel well clearance than the coupes/convertibles do.

What is the reason you want a wider tire? Looks? Grip at the track? Better wear? etc etc
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Just the cosmetic looks mostly, so it's not a must and definitely not something I'd do if it's a safety issue. So it would be safe to go with 245 (front) and 285 at the back then?
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I run 235/255 on stock 18 inch wheels. Bought wider wheels for 3 season use. But ideal would be to go down to 17 inch wheels and run a narrow squishy snow tire. Handling sucks but real snows do best in snow, not wide high performance snows on 19s.

The 235/255 are as narrow as I would go on stock wheels and I think even they are a little pinched. No rim protection. If I was a kid into stretched tires, I might think differently.
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I run 235/255 on stock 18 inch wheels. Bought wider wheels for 3 season use. But ideal would be to go down to 17 inch wheels and run a narrow squishy snow tire. Handling sucks but real snows do best in snow, not wide high performance snows on 19s.

The 235/255 are as narrow as I would go on stock wheels and I think even they are a little pinched. No rim protection. If I was a kid into stretched tires, I might think differently.

AFAIK there are no 17" wheels that clear the stock brakes. Note that even the official BMW winter wheel/tire package is 18".

I run 245/40R18 LM-60s on 18x8.5 wheels and it seems like a good setup. You have to remember that narrower tires often don't carry the proper load rating. And yes, I know that narrower is preferable for biting through the snow. I think the narrowest I've seen with the correct load rating and overall height is 235/40R18, which is a fairly common size. 245/40R18 is a bit easier to locate since it's the OEM size on lots of Audi A4s and BMW 3-series.
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AFAIK there are no 17" wheels that clear the stock brakes. Note that even the official BMW winter wheel/tire package is 18".

I run 245/40R18 LM-60s on 18x8.5 wheels and it seems like a good setup. You have to remember that narrower tires often don't carry the proper load rating. And yes, I know that narrower is preferable for biting through the snow. I think the narrowest I've seen with the correct load rating and overall height is 235/40R18, which is a fairly common size. 245/40R18 is a bit easier to locate since it's the OEM size on lots of Audi A4s and BMW 3-series.
Some 17s fit. Apex makes ARC8 in 17 that fit for example.
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Some 17s fit. Apex makes ARC8 in 17 that fit for example.

Wow, didn't know that. Still more expensive than a lot of the stuff at Discount Tire. I don't know about you, but I'd rather not get expensive winter wheels that will inevitably get trashed.
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I want the car to look decent and handle reasonably all year. But I wanted more rubber 3 seasons so I run Apex 18x9.5/10.5 with 265/35 and 285/35. The 235/40 and 255/40 snows are on the stock 18x8.5/9.5 wheels. I also did not go hard core on the snows and gave up some snow performance. I run the Dunlop M3. The Apex wheels are nice -- and lighter than stock, but you are right that there are cheaper wheels.
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I want the car to look decent and handle reasonably all year. But I wanted more rubber 3 seasons so I run Apex 18x9.5/10.5 with 265/35 and 285/35. The 235/40 and 255/40 snows are on the stock 18x8.5/9.5 wheels. I also did not go hard core on the snows and gave up some snow performance. I run the Dunlop M3. The Apex wheels are nice -- and lighter than stock, but you are right that there are cheaper wheels.
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Late to the party, but keep it as small and narrow as possible. When it comes to safety in the winter its worth putting looks aside for a proper tire. Run a 245/255 setup, even 265 max in the back. The narrower tire width will allow the tire to cut through the snow for better traction during acceleration, braking, and cornering. I've always had all of my rwd sports cars out in snow. I used to run blizzaks on them and the family cars, but this time around on my E90 I went with the Vredestein snow tires and was so impressed. It snowed at least once a week last winter in NNJ and I was never worried about being caught out in the snow. Always got to my destination or back home and would pass suv's and AWD cars with their all season tires.
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I have Sottozeros on 219's and it works great. I got lucky finding a set with winter tires and TPMS already on it locally. 219's look amazing on our cars unlike the crappy third party brand you get as a package with winter tires from tire rack that makes our cars look like a 328.
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Nokian makes some pretty rad large-diameter snows now too.
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