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Large displacement engines allow you to have immediate torque available everywhere in the RPM range and don't rely on gearing as much to get torque to the wheels. More torque available more of the time which is what some people like. I get the gearing discussion (and I'm not one of those guys who says the M3 doesn't have enough torque) but after owning a car with gobs of torque and also the M3, there is a REAL difference 90% of the time in regular driving situations. If you don't believe it you haven't experienced it or have blinders on. Also, using the C63 as an example, the biggest issue at the track is managing the torque and not breaking traction all of the time (this is with wider tires than stock)... that was NOT the case in the M3 unless I was in first gear. This was actually a plus for the M3 at the track IMO... it was easier to get the power down (maybe the M3 driver wants a "lazier" car at the track ). So, you can say you like the way the M3 delivers its torque and that's fine. Other cars do, in fact, have more torque available to the wheels MORE of the time (maybe not all of the time). That doesn't mean that in certain circumstances (speed and gear) that the M3 isn't similar/more torque to the wheels but there is less of that time "available" to a driver outside of a track environment unless you are racing all of the time. No one who has owned an M3 and then a larger displacement car (C63, Z06, etc) would call the M3 a torque monster because it isn't.
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IS-F is a great car with excellent reliability, love the looks of it and the power, the only downside to the IS-F to me was no 6spd manual option. I would not consider it as an upgrade to an M3 though.
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And just to clarify, "people like me" aren't why BMW is going FI. I happen to like the S65 exactly the way it is and wouldn't change it. I have always said the S65 had lots of torque and for the way this car was designed to be used is an amazing engine. I also happen to like having a lot of torque available all of the time (even when not pushing the car hard) but that doesn't mean I think BMW should change the M3's focus. If you want to blame someone for BMW's FI direction, blame the US and Canadian governments and those who influence the cost of oil.
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For the ///M5, I think FI makes PERFECT SENSE. In fact, lets be honest, the e60 was a huge divergence from previous ///M5s in that it was so high-strung. The current one is like the EPIC e39 in that it can be driven fast and well on a track, but still act as a VERY comfortable executive sedan that doesn't have to scream to move, which is important when using it for work/business. I hear ya points though.......I do here them. Just wish they would leave the ///M3 and all future smaller ///Ms (1 & 2 series and perhaps future revival of the ///M-coup) as higher strung, more challenging cars. Cheers, e46e92
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As far as ///M3 having different engines, I think it would work, and they could use the S65 from the GTS and make it like Porsche does with their 911s and Turbo (GT2 & GT3). Cheers, e46e92
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This. It's great that we have so many choices for fun cars at the moment. My F was absolutely bulletproof and a ton of fun. Had zero complaints and actually made a pretty decent amount of cash back when I sold it. I miss it already...lol. |
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Just sold e92 m3 6MT,thinking to replace ISF or C63,test drive the C63,build quility and looks i Dont like(i only do like the exhaust sound of C63),ISF bulid qulity i think is much better M3 or C63,i do feel on straight-line ISF pull bit faster(maybe more tq?)than M3......in the end i deicede to wait for newer ISF or M3........Not fan of Mbenz...
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...but just not good enough to beat the m3. Quoting Top Gear. "The Lexus is brilliant on a lot of things, the m3 is brilliant on everything..."
I would have most problems with that the Lexus is heavier, and the pipes are fake. Could not live with that. That would even be considered ridiculous where I come from. Guess thats why you never see Lexus's within sport cars communities? Open track days (for whatever sport cars) attract Porsches, BMW´s, MB´s, Corvettes, Ferraris, GTR´s and maybe a Lambo or two. Audis to be seen rarely. Never seen a Lexus... Just my 2c.
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yes...for track day M3 is best for sure(well balance car,)...But M3 is brilliant on everything?? i dont think so,personally i think as for Daily drive i would choose ISF over M3.
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The Lexus seems way to much like a car you would buy for your wife if you wanted something that she can drive and you can still get away with driving on weekends. I have driven it before and it was hell a fun, but then I caught a glimpse of it in the reflection of a building as I drove by and couldn't help but think aww what a cute car (that chick must be hot). Then noticed, crap Im driving that. It was enough for me not to buy. Maybe your more a a man than me and can get away with it, I just couldn't do it. Good luck either way.
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It's funny I came across this post and read what I originally posted cause last night I traded in my M3 for a 2011 ISF. While I do miss and will always miss the M, I'm very happy and impressed with the ISF. Very comfy, seats are awesome, and it is def fast..... Love the interior and nav. I like it better then the I drive. Plus last night while driving home I saw 24.4 mpg. The only weird thing is that modding the ISF is minimal. There are no tunes for the ISF, I can only look at CAI, exhaust, headers, and that's about it.... The M had more modding possibilities....
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lack of modding options could be a god send.
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LOL, whats up Chris.... Always good seeing your posts... Yeah, I have researched and the ISF ECU is locked, no tunes available. Most guys are doing exhaust, CAI, and headers.... Then of course turbos but for mild to moderate mods, not a whole lot there.... I like it, cause I have nothing to do right now. Got the windows tinted today and thats about it...
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Everyone has seen that video but that's his opinion. I'm not saying that the M3 handles better then an ISF. I pushed my M3 and it was amazing. The ISF is just a better fit for me..... It is still fast, handles well too
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I think this statement tells you that you should not buy an IS-F over an M3.
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