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      07-16-2012, 07:51 AM   #1
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Lightbulb Andrea Mitchell get's hammered trying to defend Obama's "outsourcing" record

The Outsourcing and Chief! Oh the irony...


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A few more great examples of our Outscourcing and Chief at work...

OUTSOURCED IN SPACE: NASA ASTRONAUT ON RUSSIAN ROCKET

Now, here's some real Obama outsourcing.

This morning, Kazakhstan time, the next mission to the International Space Station successfully blasted off carrying the usual trio -- a Russian commander, an astronaut from the international community and an American in a seat rented by NASA since the retirement of the last U.S. space

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Hawker Beechcraft loses out on big Air Force contract

The Wichita Eagle ^| Fri, Nov. 18, 2011 | Dan Voorhis

Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2011 10:52:19 PM by sukhoi-30mki

Hawker Beechcraft loses out on big Air Force contract

By Dan Voorhis

The Wichita Eagle

Hawker Beechcraft Corp. says the Air Force has informed the company that it lost out on a military contract worth nearly $1 billion.

The company had hoped to win the Light Air Support contract with its AT-6, an armed version of its T-6 trainer. But on Friday, the company said it received a letter from the Air Force saying the AT-6 had been excluded from the competition. The company wants an explanation.

According to the company’s news release: “The letter provides no basis for the exclusion. We are both confounded and troubled by this decision, as we have been working closely with the Air Force for two years and, with our partners Lockheed Martin, CMC Esterline, Pratt & Whitney Canada, L-3 WESCAM and CAE, have invested more than $100 million preparing to meet the Air Force’s specific requirements.”
The piston planes are designed for counterinsurgency, close air support, armed overwatch and homeland security.

Hawker Beechcraft said it continues to believe the AT-6 is the most capable, affordable and sustainable aircraft in the competition based on the Air Force’s specifications. The company has said that winning the award would have kept its T-6 production line running after 2015. The company has said that 1,400 employees in 20 states – including 800 at Hawker Beechcraft in Wichita – work on the AT-6 and T-6 programs at the company and its U.S. suppliers and partners.

The company said Friday that it had no further comment, for now.
The decision appears to leave the field open to the Super Tucano built by Brazil’s Embraer for the initial contract to supply 35 with the potential for 55 aircraft worth up to $950 million. And that doesn’t include foreign sales.
The Air Force’s move surprised aircraft industry analyst Richard Aboulafia of the Teal Group.


“They seemed to be the front runner for the contract,” he said of Hawker. “They had the most infrastructure spread over the most states and the most political support.” He said the loss is not critical to the company’s survival, but it would have been a great boost to maintaining work and workers as the company’s T-6 contract runs down.

“The challenge is to build for the military market until the civil market comes back,” Aboulafia said. “And nobody knows when the civil market will come back, probably some time next year, but there’s no guarantee.”
Analyst Wayne Plucker, industry manager for aerospace at Frost & Sullivan, downplayed the importance of the contract to the company.
“It might lead to more layoffs and other adjustments internally, but I don’t think it significantly affects them as a going concern,” he said. “They just need to find another product niche.”

He said the Super Tucano was built specifically for this kind of mission, while the AT-6 is an adaption that wasn’t perfect. Embraer has struggled to sell enough of the planes so it has priced them very aggressively.
U.S. Rep. Mike Pompeo, R-Wichita, said in an e-mailed statement that he was disappointed by the decision..
“I have already demanded answers from the Pentagon on why they made this very unfortunate decision, and will continue to do so,” he wrote. “This contract is critical both to our nation’s security and to jobs in Wichita, Kansas.”
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This is one of my favorites....

from an email:


The Oakland Bay Bridge, an iconic American landmark in the San Francisco Bay, is being built with millions of dollars of Chinese-made steel.

We could have made it here. We didn't. And it's just one of many ways China holds us in an economic stranglehold:
• The U.S. – China deficit grew from $84 billion in 2001, when China entered the WTO, to $295 billion in 2011
• This deficit has eliminated or displaced nearly 2.8 million U.S. jobs since 2001, representing about 2 percent of total U.S. employment
• Of the nearly 2.8 million jobs lost or displaced, 1.9 million were in manufacturing – nearly half of all U.S. manufacturing jobs lost between 2001 and 2010
• In a national poll, 96% of Republican voters say they support keeping America's trade laws strong and strictly enforced to provide a level playing field for our workers and businesses
• China owns 9 percent of our public debt


We've handed them our future, buying and borrowing like mad. So when unfair trade practices have cost 2.8 million Americans their jobs, Congress does nothing. When our trade deficit with China hits a new record, we fail to curb our insatiable desire for their artificially subsidized exports.

This is more than economic suicide. It's a national security threat that requires urgent action by Congress
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A few more great examples of our Outscourcing and Chief at work...

OUTSOURCED IN SPACE: NASA ASTRONAUT ON RUSSIAN ROCKET

Now, here's some real Obama outsourcing.

This morning, Kazakhstan time, the next mission to the International Space Station successfully blasted off carrying the usual trio -- a Russian commander, an astronaut from the international community and an American in a seat rented by NASA since the retirement of the last U.S. space

The decision to end the Space Shuttle program came the year after the Space Shuttle Colombia broke up over Texas. It was President Bush's 1st administration that killed that program off.
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This is one of my favorites....

from an email:


The Oakland Bay Bridge, an iconic American landmark in the San Francisco Bay, is being built with millions of dollars of Chinese-made steel.

We could have made it here. We didn't. And it's just one of many ways China holds us in an economic stranglehold:
• The U.S. – China deficit grew from $84 billion in 2001, when China entered the WTO, to $295 billion in 2011
• This deficit has eliminated or displaced nearly 2.8 million U.S. jobs since 2001, representing about 2 percent of total U.S. employment
• Of the nearly 2.8 million jobs lost or displaced, 1.9 million were in manufacturing – nearly half of all U.S. manufacturing jobs lost between 2001 and 2010
• In a national poll, 96% of Republican voters say they support keeping America's trade laws strong and strictly enforced to provide a level playing field for our workers and businesses
• China owns 9 percent of our public debt


We've handed them our future, buying and borrowing like mad. So when unfair trade practices have cost 2.8 million Americans their jobs, Congress does nothing. When our trade deficit with China hits a new record, we fail to curb our insatiable desire for their artificially subsidized exports.

This is more than economic suicide. It's a national security threat that requires urgent action by Congress
And this is because there has been such a hit to the manufacturing sector there is not a foundry in the US that can provide that steel.
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The decision to end the Space Shuttle program came the year after the Space Shuttle Colombia broke up over Texas. It was President Bush's 1st administration that killed that program off.

Obama closed NASA's space program.
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And this is because there has been such a hit to the manufacturing sector there is not a foundry in the US that can provide that steel.
Please support your statment.
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Hey I wonder if there were not enough American workers to build the bridge too???

"At a sprawling manufacturing complex here, hundreds of Chinese laborers are now completing work on the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge."


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/26/bu...pagewanted=all

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8 new threads in a week. You're out of control. I'm gonna leave this forum for you and your teabagging cohorts to all suck each other, and I invite the other sane contributors here to do the same.
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Good riddance.
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How could we forget about the $529 million of US tax payer money given to Fsker to build cars in Finland?!

"With the approval of the Obama administration, an electric car company that received a $529 million federal government loan guarantee is assembling its first line of cars in Finland, saying it could not find a facility in the United States capable of doing the work.

Vice President Joseph Biden heralded the Energy Department's $529 million loan to the start-up electric car company called Fisker as a bright new path to thousands of American manufacturing jobs. But two years after the loan was announced, the company's manufacturing jobs are still limited to the assembly of the flashy electric Fisker Karma sports car in Finland."




http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/car-co...ry?id=14770875
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And this is because there has been such a hit to the manufacturing sector there is not a foundry in the US that can provide that steel.
There were US companies that bid on the project. They would have built the necessary facilities hiring multiple thousands of Americans in the process. Not only that, but after they finished building the components for the new Bay Bridge the US would have a world class manufacturing facility and would be able to bid on similar projects all over the world. Not only that, but the construction has incurred over-runs and delays that make it equal to the 100% US built bid in the first place. Plus they skirted the "buy American" requirement by not taking Federal money for the project.

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“We thought it was gamesmanship, that it was a way of getting around the system,” says Thomas Hickman, a vice president at Oregon Iron Works outside Portland.

His firm was part of a consortium, Bay Bridge Fabricators, that had been preparing a bid for the project. The proposal included a new, state-of-the-art fabrication plant to be built at the port of Vancouver, Washington. Hickman says the factory would have been a huge boost to U.S. manufacturing capacity, allowing American firms to compete for even bigger projects around the world.
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Now budgeted at more than $1.75 billion for the suspension span alone, the section has encountered nearly $300 million in overruns. And while officials recently moved up the projected opening of the bridge to Labor Day 2013, it is still as much as a year behind the schedule that was planned when the contract was awarded.

In the end, the time and budget is nearly identical to the single bid the state received to build the bridge with American steel: a five-year, $1.8 billion proposal by a joint venture of American Bridge Company and Fluor Corporation that the state rejected in 2004.
http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_new...portunity?lite

So basically you spend $400M more (the supposedly higher price of the US bid) but then all the money that is spent is going towards US employees and US manufacturing. Instead you basically shipped off billions of dollars to China that are only going to increasing the strength of their economy and their citizens.
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