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      07-08-2012, 01:31 AM   #1
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Streets of Willow, CW 07.07.2012

Hadn't been to SOW since August of last year.

Went today with not much tread left on the R-S3's, and on a nearly 100░F day.

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I like how relaxed you look in some of the parts Randall.
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^I didn't realize I was doing that on tight right-hand turns... x)

But, I just realized that I do that on turn 2 (Off-Ramp) at Buttonwillow too.
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Great video as always.

Do you have any suspension modifications?
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Good car control on some of those slides. Try and keep your hand placement on the wheel a little more consistent.
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Great video as always.

Do you have any suspension modifications?
Thanks. Just Ground Control sleeve kit. Might change to a coilover soon...


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Good car control on some of those slides. Try and keep your hand placement on the wheel a little more consistent.
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Thanks. Just Ground Control sleeve kit. Might change to a coilover soon...
Nice! I'm sure you're going to enjoy a new set of coilovers. There are so many options out there these days that it can be rather tough deciding.
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WOW, thanks for posting such a nice vid, hopefully i can bring my beast out to the track someday!!
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Assume you are placing your left arm on the window for support to prevent using your hands to hold your body in place. I use a foam rubber sheet cover over the driver seat to prevent body slide which releaves some of the temptation to support your body using hands. Plus I wear knee pads on both knees because I try and use my legs to hold me in position, and it hurts to keep them pegged to the door and center console. You really need a five point restraint system when tracking this car.


Thanks for the vid. Looks like your were having a good time.
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WOW, thanks for posting such a nice vid, hopefully i can bring my beast out to the track someday!!
Yeah, come on out!


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Assume you are placing your left arm on the window for support to prevent using your hands to hold your body in place. I use a foam rubber sheet cover over the driver seat to prevent body slide which releaves some of the temptation to support your body using hands. Plus I wear knee pads on both knees because I try and use my legs to hold me in position, and it hurts to keep them pegged to the door and center console. You really need a five point restraint system when tracking this car.
Yes and no.

Yes, I got in the habit of doing that when I started tracking (basically, use my left arm to support myself on tight right hand turns as my body gets pushed to the left).

But, later on, I was told of a little seat belt trick wherein, I'd slide the seat back and lower the back rest, then lock the seat belt, and while holding the tension, I'd slide the seat forward and raise the back rest, 'til I'm up pretty close to the steering wheel. At that position, the seat belt is locked very tight against my chest and I don't slide around the seat any more in tight corners.

Anyhow, so with that seat belt method, I thought I had lost that habit of leaning against the left side for support. But, this SOW track is a rather small track with lots of tight corners and I didn't even realize that I was doing that 'til I got home and watched the videos.

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Yeah, with little tread left going into this track, I just wanted to screw around and have fun this weekend.

If I didn't have a seating/belt solution, I wouldn't be able to oversteer around the skidpad section like that without being thrown way out to the left and possibly not be able to reach the steering wheel.
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I hope you don't mind some constructive criticism.

I see you like to slide around. That's fine. But sliding around is the SLOW way to go around corners. You gave up a ton of exit speed coming onto the long front straight. A TON of exit speed. I know it looks cool and you're having fun, but really, that is the LAST place I would try and "drift" the car. You may be losing tenth of a second in going through that turn that way, but you're losing SECONDS by being 5-8mph SLOWER on the front straight by not being able to fully power down on the exit to the longest straight on a course.

Also, use the exit to pit lane. It's part of the track. In this configuration you absolutely need to put about 1/2 of your car in the exit to pit lane to keep momentum up through to the uphill braking zone for the tight ~180║ turn. Again, you're giving up speed and momentum here that's easily costing you on the magnitude of seconds per lap since this is the fastest part of a relatively slow course. When done right, you just breath off the throttle momentarily and turn in IF you manage to use the exit to pit lane right.

There's a lot of fundamental problems with your driving I won't even bother point out, but the one thing you absolutely got to fix, is that shuffle steering. Again, I understand why you do it. It's far easier to catch the car right now by shuffling, and seeing how you like the car out of control and slow rather than in control and fast, it sort of works because it allows you to just let go of the steering wheel and let the car auto-correct. But as you pick up speed, and say, were this to happen at the exit to the Esses at Buttonwillow, if you don't have your hands at the 9 & 3 you probably just bought yourself a one way ticket to meet the corner worker station at the exit, because power-on oversteer there is going to require control of the vehicle to correct, the car is going TOO FAST to self-correct there.

I'm not here to try and "hate" on "having a little fun" by drifting. I can see the allure. Not my cup of tea, but I can see the allure. It's just that, as your speed pick up naturally from getting more familiar with the track, there are certain spots that will absolutely eat you up alive at most local tracks, and to quote Yoda, "If you continue down this path, forever will it dominate your destiny."
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I see you like to slide around. That's fine. But sliding around is the SLOW way to go around corners. You gave up a ton of exit speed coming onto the long front straight. A TON of exit speed. I know it looks cool and you're having fun, but really, that is the LAST place I would try and "drift" the car. You may be losing tenth of a second in going through that turn that way, but you're losing SECONDS by being 5-8mph SLOWER on the front straight by not being able to fully power down on the exit to the longest straight on a course.
Well yeah, I enjoy sliding/drifting thru this skid pad area and, by no means was I doing that thinking I'll be going faster.

I started tracking on this track last year (first 3 track days were on this track), but since then, I hadn't gone back and had sort of forgotten the track layout, if you will. So, it was more of refamiliarization visit.

Plus, a bent front wheel from Laguna Seca in June was causing vibrations on the steering wheel (at 70 to 80 mph), and I expected said vibrations to go away when I swapped the fronts with rears, but to my surprise, the vibrations remained. So, I'm thinking, either one (or, both) of the rear wheel(s) that are now at the front is(are) bent too, or I have a wheel bearing problem. So, with equipment issues like that, I wasn't about to go there, get all serious and push things.

So, all in all, just went there to screw around & have fun, not to be setting any lap time.


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Also, use the exit to pit lane. It's part of the track. In this configuration you absolutely need to put about 1/2 of your car in the exit to pit lane to keep momentum up through to the uphill braking zone for the tight ~180║ turn. Again, you're giving up speed and momentum here that's easily costing you on the magnitude of seconds per lap since this is the fastest part of a relatively slow course. When done right, you just breath off the throttle momentarily and turn in IF you manage to use the exit to pit lane right.
Yep, totally agree, and was doing that on my previous visits there. Just not this past Saturday. The old tire on the bent wheel that was moved to the rear has may be 5 or 10% tread left and I wasn't about to push things at that very high speed spot.


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There's a lot of fundamental problems with your driving I won't even bother point out,
Oh, but please do. I'm totally open to any and all criticisms, observed flaws, advises, etc, etc, provided that it's explained/presented in a way that I can comprehend (having just over a year of tracking, there are concepts that I fail to grasp despite multiple explanations ).

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but the one thing you absolutely got to fix, is that shuffle steering. Again, I understand why you do it. It's far easier to catch the car right now by shuffling, and seeing how you like the car out of control and slow rather than in control and fast, it sort of works because it allows you to just let go of the steering wheel and let the car auto-correct. But as you pick up speed, and say, were this to happen at the exit to the Esses at Buttonwillow, if you don't have your hands at the 9 & 3 you probably just bought yourself a one way ticket to meet the corner worker station at the exit, because power-on oversteer there is going to require control of the vehicle to correct, the car is going TOO FAST to self-correct there.
Yeah, I've had others tell me this too. And, I'm going to try to remember to to counter with hands on 9 & 3 as much as possible.

From watching my track videos, I do both (but, probably shuffle more, though). And, although I don't have a premeditated method for shuffling at certain oversteer situations versus correcting with my hands at 9 & 3 at other oversteer situations, when I watch my videos, I think I tend to 9 & 3 when I sense the backend coming out fast.


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I'm not here to try and "hate" on "having a little fun" by drifting. I can see the allure. Not my cup of tea, but I can see the allure. It's just that, as your speed pick up naturally from getting more familiar with the track, there are certain spots that will absolutely eat you up alive at most local tracks, and to quote Yoda, "If you continue down this path, forever will it dominate your destiny."
I agree. At Buttonwillow and Big Willow (2 tracks I've gone to more than other tracks, and am more serious about my lap times there), you won't see me screwing around drifting like I did at SOW's skidpad or CVR's T16.
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