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      07-07-2012, 06:52 PM   #23
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"1 Million units is what luxury car sales are expected to grow to by 2015 propelled by new and emerging markets and established tentpole markets."

Can anyone translate this for me? Doesn't BMW already sell over 1M units worldwide, and has been since 2004? What exactly is the definition of "luxury car" here?
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      07-07-2012, 07:43 PM   #24
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The X7 will definitely be a sales success around where I live, I was just at the dealership today and a salesman told me, as we were looking at a row of 5 X6 Ms and 3 X5 Ms, that they literally could not keep those models in stock because they sell every single one they get, in the 20 minutes that I was there they sold 2 X6 Ms (and their first M6 convertible).

It's great to see that BMW is leveraging the money and expertise it gains through Project i on the new 7 / X7 chassis, I have no interest in the i cars for myself but I am optimistic about the influence their technology will have on the rest of BMW's lineup.
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      07-07-2012, 07:44 PM   #25
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X7 - no. CSII - yes. Also I wonder how the Ghost coupe would look. Ghost looks amazing.
Well some of us need the potential seating capacity of the X7....
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That 7er concept drawing looks way too much like a Lexus LS--hopefully the real production model will look appropriately BMW.

Also, if BMW makes the future X7 with similar design cues from the 5GT--forget about high volume sales.
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      07-07-2012, 08:54 PM   #27
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Not weird dude, you are totally right. Honestly I don't like any of there styles after year 2003.
Completely agree. The new cars don't stand apart much from other cars on the road and don't feel as "exquisite". And none of the renders look good at all...the 7 series, X7 renders look puke worthy.
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      07-07-2012, 09:02 PM   #28
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Those are some ugly ass prototypes...
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I'm liking the look of the 7er! Wonder if this goes into actual production
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That's an incredible number of cars
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Those are old drawings for X7, it will look more modern for sure, as for the 7 series its final design wasn t finished yet...
i8 has to be a hit that the profits to be reinvested in other sport cars like M1 and I'm sure they will sell more than their initial plans
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I just don't see BMW ruining their green credit on a big SUV. But who knows. I wouldn't have thought that BMW would make a SUV Coupe and look what happened.
LOL. BMW is the most highly penalized manufacturer in history for not meeting CAFE regulations.
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"1 Million units is what luxury car sales are expected to grow to by 2015 propelled by new and emerging markets and established tentpole markets."

Can anyone translate this for me? Doesn't BMW already sell over 1M units worldwide, and has been since 2004? What exactly is the definition of "luxury car" here?
1 million units GROWTH, not total. You're right BMW sells well over 1 million units a year, but they can't tag simply tag on another 1,000,000 3ers and 5ers, so all these new models we're seeing is an attempt to draw customers from other demographics.

An X7 makes sense and always has since BMW sold Range Rover, CS II... I'm not so sure, the numbers for 6GC and 7er are already pretty low, they must be chasing some pretty small numbers here. M1 OBVIOUSLY I would like to see, but I can't see it happening until after i8 market launch and i3 volume production - so a few years away yet. The Rolls-Royce coupe I'm looking forward to greatly, I love the Phantom Coupe, and I think the Ghost looks fantastic,.. I hope they do more to differentiate it from the Ghost and give it a new name.

SCOTT, the Ghost is built off the 7erLi platform? what will the ghost coupe be built off?
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1 million units GROWTH, not total. You're right BMW sells well over 1 million units a year, but they can't tag simply tag on another 1,000,000 3ers and 5ers, so all these new models we're seeing is an attempt to draw customers from other demographics.
"1 Million units is what luxury car sales are expected to grow to"

Maybe my English is off, but the original sentence does not read that way. It says the market will grow TO 1 million units.

Oh well.
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"1 Million units is what luxury car sales are expected to grow to"

Maybe my English is off, but the original sentence does not read that way. It says the market will grow TO 1 million units.

Oh well.
Luxury car sales (depending on who you talk to) are cars base priced over $75k.
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1 Million units is what luxury car sales are expected to grow to by 2015 propelled by new and emerging markets and established tentpole markets."

Can anyone translate this for me? Doesn't BMW already sell over 1M units worldwide, and has been since 2004? What exactly is the definition of "luxury car" here?
I am mentioning specifically the high end premium segment which involves the 7er and Rolls-Royce Ghost and Phantom. Spearheaded by sales in new and emerging markets for luxury cars, The whole luxury segment is expected to grow to 1 million units by 2015. The BMW 7er cannot sustain itself in this market as projections show that luxury sedans are experiencing a decline in favour of super-luxury high-end SUV's.
The reason why you have seen Concepts from Lamborghini and Bentley lately because The SUV is the future of the luxury car. SUV sales are rising whilst standard luxury sedans like the 7er are declining. In many markets although due for replacement in around eighteen months - The X5 is still driving sales for BMW as is the BMW X6.

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SCOTT, the Ghost is built off the 7erLi platform? what will the ghost coupe be built off?
The "Ghost" Coupe and DropHead Coupe is built on a shortened version of the current architecture found underneath the 5er , 5er Touring , 5er GT , 6er , Gran Coupe , 7er and Ghost.

The RFK was BMW's answer to the Mercedes-Benz R-Klasse until the majority of it was then transformed into the 5er GT. The interior for example of the GT was primarily for the luxury MPV. The actual RFK was the car that was seen in the scoop photographs until BMW pushed forward the car as the 5er GT.
Strangely enough the Mercedes-Benz R-Klasse has a significant sales base in China similar to the 5er GT.
The interior of the RFK in all its seven seater highluxury glory is carried over for the X7 only. The length of the X7 dictates a more Touring esque shape than a utilarian concept.

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LOL. BMW is the most highly penalized manufacturer in history for not meeting CAFE regulations.
It is actually Mercedes-Benz. The larger more premium AMG cars and SUVs aswell as the SLS AMG brings penalties to nearer 1 million dollars for Mercedes-Benz. BMW's are not as high as that. Porsche though, are even higher.

The X7 will not be a "Volume car" just as the 7er is not a "Volume car" if you want to talk about volume within BMW then the 1er , 3er and 5er best describe volume.
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LOL. BMW is the most highly penalized manufacturer in history for not meeting CAFE regulations.
No I meant their green image. My bad.
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No I meant their green image. My bad.
now that is where you are very wrong, BMWs green image is one of the best among all mfgs, they often win awards for this, and among luxury mfgs, they are hands down on the top.

but back on topic..
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now that is where you are very wrong, BMWs green image is one of the best among all mfgs, they often win awards for this, and among luxury mfgs, they are hands down on the top.

but back on topic..
That is what I am saying. I don't see them ruining it on a range topping SUV.
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All I want from the next 7 is to be better looking. The current 7 is a hopelessy boring looking car - the 7 year old S-Class still looks like a million dollars next to it. BMW needs to inject some style and glamour into their flagship saloon, which currently is made largely redundant by the 5-series.
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I don't get it why BMW keeps making cars bigger they're becoming like American cars. Humble opinion
There are very few companies, in any country, that downsize their cars or even keep them the same. Striving to make a car larger and handle better while losing weight happens everywhere.
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