Force Induction: E92 M3 ?

eurotekm3 · 07-08-2007, 10:46 PM

what kind of F/I systems do u think they will make for the new E92 M3 ?

twin-turbo, single turbo, supercharger...?

what kinda system would be the best for the new V8 ?

FifthStreetz · 07-08-2007, 10:57 PM

I think its a bit early to say but i could see a supercharger engineered for the new V8.

m_bazeepaymon · 07-08-2007, 11:42 PM

if they don't make a supercharger... then majority of the people will not buy Forced Induction

Boostedg35 · 07-08-2007, 11:50 PM

YOU WOULD BE A IDIOT FOR f/i THIS CAR.. IT IS A HIGH COMPRESSION MOTOR! ITS BUILT FOR HIGH REVING NA. TO GO F/I SAFELY YOU WOULD HAVE TO REBUILD THE MOTOR AND THAT WOULD COST YOU WAY TOO MUCH MONEY..

OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT F/I AND WHAT IS A GOOD PLATFORM SO I SUGGEST YOU DONT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT.

THANKS

ChitownM3 · 07-08-2007, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boostedg35

YOU WOULD BE A IDIOT FOR f/i THIS CAR.. IT IS A HIGH COMPRESSION MOTOR! ITS BUILT FOR HIGH REVING NA. TO GO F/I SAFELY YOU WOULD HAVE TO REBUILD THE MOTOR AND THAT WOULD COST YOU WAY TOO MUCH MONEY..

OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT F/I AND WHAT IS A GOOD PLATFORM SO I SUGGEST YOU DONT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT.

THANKS

Look down on your keyboard. Now look all the way to the left side, right under the tab button is the caps lock key. Please hit that for us.

THANKS

PS. I think if they could engineer a turbo set up, that would be awesome, especially with such a high revving engine. Doubt it will happen though.

FifthStreetz · 07-08-2007, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boostedg35

YOU WOULD BE A IDIOT FOR f/i THIS CAR.. IT IS A HIGH COMPRESSION MOTOR! ITS BUILT FOR HIGH REVING NA. TO GO F/I SAFELY YOU WOULD HAVE TO REBUILD THE MOTOR AND THAT WOULD COST YOU WAY TOO MUCH MONEY..

OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT F/I AND WHAT IS A GOOD PLATFORM SO I SUGGEST YOU DONT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT.

THANKS

Caps lock broken??

M3onTwomps · 07-09-2007, 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boostedg35

YOU WOULD BE A IDIOT FOR f/i THIS CAR.. IT IS A HIGH COMPRESSION MOTOR! ITS BUILT FOR HIGH REVING NA. TO GO F/I SAFELY YOU WOULD HAVE TO REBUILD THE MOTOR AND THAT WOULD COST YOU WAY TOO MUCH MONEY..

OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT F/I AND WHAT IS A GOOD PLATFORM SO I SUGGEST YOU DONT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT.

THANKS

BWAH HAHA! Didn't they say the same about the S54? Yeah, it's only putting out 1000hp these days.

THANKS

FifthStreetz · 07-09-2007, 12:26 AM

ooo i forgot to say

THANKS

bullitt5897 · 07-09-2007, 09:33 AM

Yea they are likely to come out with a supercharger first and later turbo systems will follow. there will probably a centerfuge supercharger first and then Twin Turbo! I will hold out for the turbo HEHE

swamp2 · 07-09-2007, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boostedg35

YOU WOULD BE A IDIOT FOR f/i THIS CAR.. IT IS A HIGH COMPRESSION MOTOR! ITS BUILT FOR HIGH REVING NA. TO GO F/I SAFELY YOU WOULD HAVE TO REBUILD THE MOTOR AND THAT WOULD COST YOU WAY TOO MUCH MONEY..

OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT F/I AND WHAT IS A GOOD PLATFORM SO I SUGGEST YOU DONT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT.

THANKS

Not only do you seem to not know any forum (internet in general) ettiquite but you also don't know much about FI. The Audi RS4 motor is fairly close to the new M engine in terms of bore, stroke, displacement, compression, etc. and it has been successfully supercharged. Sure you are always flirting a bit with engine longevity but "safe" is a very relative term.

I suggest you think more about what you know about FI before making such uninformed posts.

FifthStreetz · 07-09-2007, 11:05 AM

I think i might play around with supercharging or possibly turbos after my warranty expires. Ill let others be the guinea pigs first and see which choice is best.

FifthStreetz · 07-09-2007, 01:41 PM

Anyone try this?

http://www.turbonator.com/

!Xoible · 07-09-2007, 01:44 PM

it's a huge engine, it can take a SC. there are drawbacks to both, but when it comes to state taxes, and other fees, and the fact that the turbo setup might experience serious lags you might be better off with the SC.
it's really not a question of which is better, it's a question of preference, IMHO

bullitt5897 · 07-09-2007, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mantisG35

it's a huge engine, it can take a SC. there are drawbacks to both, but when it comes to state taxes, and other fees, and the fact that the turbo setup might experience serious lags you might be better off with the SC.
it's really not a question of which is better, it's a question of preference, IMHO

Turbos have come a long way as well as superchargers. there will practically be zero lag with a modern turbo setup and you wont have to run a large turbo setup due to the fact you will be able to run two medium sized dual ball bearing turbos that spool extremely fast like full boost around 3-5grand. and at a safe 8-9psi I bet you we could easily see anywhere from 550-600rwhp and a nice torque figure around 375-400ft lbs of Tq. these are just my thoughts and opinions. I believe they will be accurate what do you guys think?

NICOLAS SARKOZY · 08-28-2007, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boostedg35

YOU WOULD BE A IDIOT FOR f/i THIS CAR.. IT IS A HIGH COMPRESSION MOTOR! ITS BUILT FOR HIGH REVING NA. TO GO F/I SAFELY YOU WOULD HAVE TO REBUILD THE MOTOR AND THAT WOULD COST YOU WAY TOO MUCH MONEY..

OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT F/I AND WHAT IS A GOOD PLATFORM SO I SUGGEST YOU DONT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT.

THANKS

All you say is false.The M3 E46 engine is also a high revolving engine and there are plenty of FI systems .Obviously you do not know anything about FI (is it a pic of you in your avatar?) lol no personal attack it was for laugh

Sick Speed · 08-29-2007, 01:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boostedg35

YOU WOULD BE A IDIOT FOR f/i THIS CAR.. IT IS A HIGH COMPRESSION MOTOR! ITS BUILT FOR HIGH REVING NA. TO GO F/I SAFELY YOU WOULD HAVE TO REBUILD THE MOTOR AND THAT WOULD COST YOU WAY TOO MUCH MONEY..

OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT F/I AND WHAT IS A GOOD PLATFORM SO I SUGGEST YOU DONT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT.

THANKS

Sorry bro...incorrect statement. I am not even going to waste the time to explain forced induction and high compression engines to you.

SS

RichieBMW · 09-03-2007, 12:32 AM

Twin or Single turbo. The engine would have no problems holding up if the tune was right. We have over there (In OZ) 6ltr V8's with massively high Comp Ratios with there's set=ups. Making huge power, running 10's off stock motors and daily driven off turbo kits.

It all can be down. Its How much Money = Development. Someone will do it out there one day.

Socom · 09-10-2007, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bullitt5897

Turbos have come a long way as well as superchargers. there will practically be zero lag with a modern turbo setup and you wont have to run a large turbo setup due to the fact you will be able to run two medium sized dual ball bearing turbos that spool extremely fast like full boost around 3-5grand. and at a safe 8-9psi I bet you we could easily see anywhere from 550-600rwhp and a nice torque figure around 375-400ft lbs of Tq. these are just my thoughts and opinions. I believe they will be accurate what do you guys think?

Isn't an SC better for tracking since you're not overly concerned with heat soak like you would with the turbo?

AR230WAKEBOARDER · 09-13-2007, 12:58 PM

The reason SC is better for track driving is consistent linear torque. You dont want to get mid corner and find an extra 100ft/lbs torque when you didnt expect it =)

nitrouspimpxide · 09-20-2007, 10:55 AM

i prefer superchargers...they are great for adding boost to a car...the power is always there...and they sound cool and scary at the same time...too many ppl have turbo anyways...i like to be different

AlpenWhite25 · 10-14-2007, 01:13 PM

MTM have made a Supercharger Package for the Rival of M3 the RS4.We are talking about a Normaly Aspirated V8 wich revs at 8.250 and has a Compresion Ratio of 12.5:1( http://www.audiworld.com/news/07/mtm.../content.shtml ) .This kit is producing 535 bhp and 580 Nm of torque.Excuse my scepticism but you were talking about Supercharging high Compresion Ratio engines and if it was Possibile to do in a BMW M3 E92 engine V8 with 12:1 Compression Ratio.My vote is that in the next year we will have a couple of aftermarket Kits wich will supercharge the bimmer to somewere between 540-570 bhp at low boost ( 0.4 Bar-6.5 psi).On the other hand maybe not, this is just my guess......

CSL-Fanatik · 10-14-2007, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlpenWhite25

MTM have made a Supercharger Package for the Rival of M3 the RS4.We are talking about a Normaly Aspirated V8 wich revs at 8.250 and has a Compresion Ratio of 12.5:1( http://www.audiworld.com/news/07/mtm.../content.shtml ) .This kit is producing 535 bhp and 580 Nm of torque.Excuse my scepticism but you were talking about Supercharging high Compresion Ratio engines and if it was Possibile to do in a BMW M3 E92 engine V8 with 12:1 Compression Ratio.My vote is that in the next year we will have a couple of aftermarket Kits wich will supercharge the bimmer to somewere between 540-570 bhp at low boost ( 0.4 Bar-6.5 psi).On the other hand maybe not, this is just my guess......

Anybody know the prices for the MTM kit? I tried to find it, but was unable to. With a price tag we could speculate what it would cost to squeeze 550 hp out of an M3.

Best regards,

CSL

07-08-2007, 11:42 PM	#3
m_bazeepaymon Major Drives: 2008 E92 335i Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,077 iTrader: (4)	if they don't make a supercharger... then majority of the people will not buy Forced Induction __________________ ZzZzZ'er

07-08-2007, 10:57 PM	#2
FifthStreetz O! So Sour!! Drives: Fast e30 / Slow M3 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Fort Lee, NJ Posts: 15,221 iTrader: (20) Garage List 2008 M3 [4.50]	I think its a bit early to say but i could see a supercharger engineered for the new V8.

07-08-2007, 11:50 PM	#4
Boostedg35 Second Lieutenant Drives: TTG35 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Utah-Iraq Posts: 222 iTrader: (0)	YOU WOULD BE A IDIOT FOR f/i THIS CAR.. IT IS A HIGH COMPRESSION MOTOR! ITS BUILT FOR HIGH REVING NA. TO GO F/I SAFELY YOU WOULD HAVE TO REBUILD THE MOTOR AND THAT WOULD COST YOU WAY TOO MUCH MONEY.. OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT F/I AND WHAT IS A GOOD PLATFORM SO I SUGGEST YOU DONT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT. THANKS

07-09-2007, 12:26 AM	#8
FifthStreetz O! So Sour!! Drives: Fast e30 / Slow M3 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Fort Lee, NJ Posts: 15,221 iTrader: (20) Garage List 2008 M3 [4.50]	ooo i forgot to say THANKS

07-09-2007, 09:33 AM	#9
bullitt5897 Second Lieutenant Drives: is300 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: atl Posts: 256 iTrader: (0)	Yea they are likely to come out with a supercharger first and later turbo systems will follow. there will probably a centerfuge supercharger first and then Twin Turbo! I will hold out for the turbo HEHE

07-09-2007, 11:05 AM	#11
FifthStreetz O! So Sour!! Drives: Fast e30 / Slow M3 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Fort Lee, NJ Posts: 15,221 iTrader: (20) Garage List 2008 M3 [4.50]	I think i might play around with supercharging or possibly turbos after my warranty expires. Ill let others be the guinea pigs first and see which choice is best.

07-09-2007, 01:41 PM	#12
FifthStreetz O! So Sour!! Drives: Fast e30 / Slow M3 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Fort Lee, NJ Posts: 15,221 iTrader: (20) Garage List 2008 M3 [4.50]	Anyone try this? http://www.turbonator.com/

07-09-2007, 01:44 PM	#13
!Xoible Banned Drives: .... Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: . Posts: 1,820 iTrader: (4) Garage List 2008 M3 [3.50] 2007 335i [4.50] 2008 528i [4.00] 2006 Infiniti - G35 ... [4.00]	it's a huge engine, it can take a SC. there are drawbacks to both, but when it comes to state taxes, and other fees, and the fact that the turbo setup might experience serious lags you might be better off with the SC. it's really not a question of which is better, it's a question of preference, IMHO

09-03-2007, 12:32 AM	#17
RichieBMW Enlisted Member Drives: BMW Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 15 iTrader: (0)	Twin or Single turbo. The engine would have no problems holding up if the tune was right. We have over there (In OZ) 6ltr V8's with massively high Comp Ratios with there's set=ups. Making huge power, running 10's off stock motors and daily driven off turbo kits. It all can be down. Its How much Money = Development. Someone will do it out there one day.

09-13-2007, 12:58 PM	#19
AR230WAKEBOARDER Private First Class Drives: MONTEGO BLUE 335I Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Why? Posts: 144 iTrader: (0)	The reason SC is better for track driving is consistent linear torque. You dont want to get mid corner and find an extra 100ft/lbs torque when you didnt expect it =)

09-20-2007, 10:55 AM	#20
nitrouspimpxide New Member Drives: 1998 BMW M3 Sedan Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Miami Posts: 2 iTrader: (0)	i prefer superchargers...they are great for adding boost to a car...the power is always there...and they sound cool and scary at the same time...too many ppl have turbo anyways...i like to be different

10-14-2007, 01:13 PM	#21
AlpenWhite25 Private Drives: Alpen White BMW M3 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 59 iTrader: (0)	MTM have made a Supercharger Package for the Rival of M3 the RS4.We are talking about a Normaly Aspirated V8 wich revs at 8.250 and has a Compresion Ratio of 12.5:1( http://www.audiworld.com/news/07/mtm.../content.shtml ) .This kit is producing 535 bhp and 580 Nm of torque.Excuse my scepticism but you were talking about Supercharging high Compresion Ratio engines and if it was Possibile to do in a BMW M3 E92 engine V8 with 12:1 Compression Ratio.My vote is that in the next year we will have a couple of aftermarket Kits wich will supercharge the bimmer to somewere between 540-570 bhp at low boost ( 0.4 Bar-6.5 psi).On the other hand maybe not, this is just my guess......