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      06-30-2012, 07:42 PM   #23
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Nice numbers , welcome to the family
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This car is a beast, glad to have you aboard.

Glad you're enjoying the new power!
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Sweet, great write up
Thanks man! I love your mcb vt3 build!


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great read! I had the same concerns and liked the fact VF was in my backyard... but needless to say, I never had issues with my VF620 kit where it would cause me to visit them so I guess that is a good thing
Thanks James! Hope to see your car in VF or EAS soon!

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great write up!
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Looks great, I've seen one up close and they are impressive!

But the red headlights
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congrats bro enjoy the boost how do you like the new power?
It was great! Btw, I've just read your build...congrats and keep it up!

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Nice write up!
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Could not have said it any better.
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I may have to get one very soon... need that 550 whp feeling that i used to get with my 2010 GTR back... i swear that will be my last MOD... ahahahhhahhaa
Thanks! I've heard that line several times before!
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congrats sir! when we lined up at MFEST your top end is nuts! when i make the jump to VT2, we need to line-up again for some fun
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      07-02-2012, 03:41 PM   #26
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Correct me If I'm wrong but don't VT1's 535 Catless put down similar numbers to the VF620 ?
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Correct me If I'm wrong but don't VT1's 535 Catless put down similar numbers to the VF620 ?
Um... Your wrong lol
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      07-02-2012, 04:31 PM   #28
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^Not really - theres a vid of e90///M3 at the strip against the vf620 and the 620 only got him by a few cars - not bad for a theoretical 100hp difference
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Um... Your wrong lol
no he's not. but i don't want to turn this into a pissing match cause spotter is a good friend of mine. i respect him and his car as well as the VF kit.
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To the OP I swear I dont want to Hijack your thread and if you request me to I will delete this , I just feel that this should be pointed out .



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Um... Your wrong lol
Hope you're not offended by real data.* Here's a VT1 on the EAS dyno putting down 550whp 2 more whp than the OP in his VF620.* Tom documented it himself in this thread

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^Not really - theres a vid of e90///M3 at the strip against the vf620 and the 620 only got him by a few cars - not bad for a theoretical 100hp difference
Roger doger.* Here's the video of the OP's DCT car against theVT1 6MT.* DCT vs. 6MT and still dead even at 1/8 mile.* WTF.

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Granted the car is faster but not by much especially for the $$$ to HP upgrade and not to mention the VT1 was a 6mt..
It would have been cool to see you go up against Biglares Vt600 which is DCT also and is shy 20hp compared to VF claimed 620 kit.

But all in all if your happy with your ride that's what counts regardless of the end results !

Your ride looks sweet I like what you did with it !

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no he's not. but i don't want to turn this into a pissing match cause spotter is a good friend of mine. i respect him and his car as well as the VF kit.
Im not completely wrong here..... result will vary from dyno to dyno, car to car, and atmospheric conditions as well. Temperature can change HP output by 10% alone. These kits are all very close. You cant say that a non intercooled car without cats will beat a intercooled car with more boost regardless of brand. Maybe on the dyno on a cool day, but a heat soaked engine in the desert is another story. I dynod my car today which is completely stock other than the VF620 kit, even the exhaust is stock. 90f in the shop @ EAS and put down 510hp to the wheels. In the winter it would probly do 535-540 maybe?


Heres a recent one... 458hp
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...light=ess+dyno

A 575 with high flow cats made 478hp
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...light=ess+dyno

Im sure there is a few cars that might have made more to the floor, but when you start changing pulleys its not the same kit anymore. This is not a pissing match when your comparing apples to apples. Compare whatever dyno graph your going to hunt down of a non intercooled ESS to the ESS 600 or 625.
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To the OP I swear I dont want to Hijack your thread and if you request me to I will delete this , I just feel that this should be pointed out .





Hope you're not offended by real data.* Here's a VT1 on the EAS dyno putting down 550whp 2 more whp than the OP in his VF620.* Tom documented it himself in this thread

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Roger doger.* Here's the video of the OP's DCT car against theVT1 6MT.* DCT vs. 6MT and still dead even at 1/8 mile.* WTF.
Again, its not the same kit when you start changing pulleys. If you want to risk those timing curves to gain that power with that hot of an intake charge temp, your a gambler. Sure I dont disagree that no cats could yield you more power and lower your EGT's. If you feel that the stage 2 is not worth it for the horsepower because its more money (again regardless of brand) then thats your choice. If you have been working on these cars for as long as I have then you would understand its better to be proactive then reactive when it comes to engine life span and repairs.

Yes that car is fast, its probly the fastest non intercooled car on here right now, but its also the ONLY one at 550whp. How long will it last?
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Mbauer have you ever taken your car to an independant dyno and get full data logging. What's your pulley size ?

10% difference due to weather is completely false since corrected dyno charts are being posted .

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Say what you want about it being the only 550whp one but I just showed you a video of a 6mt VT1 tailing a intercooled 620hp DCT M by 1 to 1& 1.5 car lengths in the 1/4 and it only leaped at the very end , when you factor $$ - HP with the = results , it's a bit disappointing wouldn't you say ?
Lets not chase this anymore , congrats to the OP and I'm sorry if I spoiled this thread in anyway , the only reason I say this is in the past I got violated when I argued with hard facts...
BTW I was at Mfest
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Mbauer have you ever taken your car to an independant dyno and get full data logging. What's your pulley size ?

10% difference due to weather is completely false since corrected dyno charts are being posted .
Yes I did today. I don't have a copy of the file but I saw the screen. Tom @ EAS has it. Boost is also dependent on software, and the manifold so compairing the pulley size kit to kit is worthless. It was logged 6.5lbs of boost on the dyno. Temperature will help the volumetric efficiency of the heat exchanger so it would make a difference.
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Say what you want about it being the only 550whp one but I just showed you a video of a 6mt VT1 tailing a intercooled 620hp DCT M by 1 to 1& 1.5 car lengths in the 1/4 and it only leaped at the very end , when you factor $$ - HP with the = results , it's a bit disappointing wouldn't you say ?
Lets not chase this anymore , congrats to the OP and I'm sorry if I spoiled this thread in anyway , the only reason I say this is in the past I got violated when I argued with hard facts...
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Yes I did today. I don't have a copy of the file but I saw the screen. Tom @ EAS has it. Boost is also dependent on software, and the manifold so compairing the pulley size kit to kit is worthless. It was logged 6.5lbs of boost on the dyno. Temperature will help the volumetric efficiency of the heat exchanger so it would make a difference.
How much boost does the VF 620 push? 6? Or is it upwards of 7
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How much boost does the VF 620 push? 6? Or is it upwards of 7
depends on where u are, mine at close to sea level measured exactly 6.5
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jason's car is an exception , no other ess535kit makes same numbers as his.
And for the vid the ess car has rear 18 slick tires and the vf 19 street tires.
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Yes I did today. I don't have a copy of the file but I saw the screen. Tom @ EAS has it. Boost is also dependent on software, and the manifold so compairing the pulley size kit to kit is worthless.
When I say independent dyno, I don't mean EAS. They are not independent . And when I say full data logging, I don't mean boost alone. I'm talking about boost, timing, lambda, iat, oil temp, water temp, etc. And then I'm talking about posting the results and all the data log files just like Alekshop did to allow everybody to benefit and analyze it and draw their own conclusions. talking about efficiency and charge coolers and low iats, but if you haven't data logged it on an independent test then how do you know, and if you haven't posted it how would we know its true?

When you measure manifold pressure then pulley size is very relevant because it says something about the kit efficiency. *That's why we/I post pulley size and full data logs to benefit everybody and draw their own conclusions.
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I've been searching sc kits for over a week now, everyday. I have yet to see anyone post full logs. Boost and iat at most, and most don't even have boost, which is odd.
Can you link me to yours?
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Yes that car is fast, its probly the fastest non intercooled car on here right now, but its also the ONLY one at 550whp. How long will it last?
i'll tell you this much... i'm sitting at around 50k miles... SC was installed about 25k miles ago. it's last quote awhile and i don't baby my car. she gets pushed EVERY SINGLE TIME i drive her.


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jason's car is an exception , no other ess535kit makes same numbers as his.
And for the vid the ess car has rear 18 slick tires and the vf 19 street tires.
this is true... but you were in the car when i was spinning halfway down the track. they were NOT drag slicks but instead continental track slicks and track prep was shiet... all in all that makes the slicks negligible. haha

and regarding the times on slicks vs street tires... i had better times last year when i ran drag radials.

like i said from the beginning... i don't want this to be a pissing match. I know a ton of people who have gone with VF, ESS, a few with G-Power and a few with Gintani. I respect each person i've run into and met through the scene and i don't talk negative about someone elses choices.
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