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      05-24-2012, 02:38 PM   #89
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Gee...I wonder why police officers don't publicize their presence on web boards.

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It's really simple guys - don't break the law and you won't have to speak with police officers. Get pulled over, don't *expect* a pass. If the cop is a dick; file a complaint.

You think cops got into the business to write tickets for no front plate and tint? Most of them are probably just as annoyed as you are that they have to stop you for something that is so easily avoided.
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Agreed, I get pulled over for breaking the law, I expect a ticket. And for those who choose to go with illegal tint or no front plate where required, I have no sympathy for the tickets one gets. I only pointed out that LEO's can't hide behind "we don't write the laws, just enforce them... we are not judges" stance while they freely exercise their discretion to write a ticket or not. Whether it be a fellow LEO or an ordinary citizen...
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I know you are deliberately trying to take an extreme example, but this statement is shocking. I absolutely hope no officers have this attitude. Yes, it is an extreme case, but in this extreme case, I would certainly hope officers do their best not to comply. This attitude sounds exactly like Nazi germany.
Yes, it definitely does. Didn't mean to offend anybody. But the point still remains. If such a situation existed, and the police didn't carry out the mandate, they would not be doing their job. Ethics and morality is not the question.

Or how about the day the national speed limit went from 55 to 65? One day you are driving 65 and you are breaking the law, the next day you are not. Same highway, same weather, same traffic, etc., etc. So what's the difference? One day they can write you a ticket, they next they can not. One day you are a danger and the next, you are not. Again, they are simply the enforcers of the laws. Discretion should not be the expectation.
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Or how about the day the national speed limit went from 55 to 65? One day you are driving 65 and you are breaking the law, the next day you are not. Same highway, same weather, same traffic, etc., etc. So what's the difference?
You "really" can't see the difference between this and your former example? The difference is that speed limits aren't really a moral issue. An edict to arrest all muslims (or all Jewish people or all of my political opponents) is. I'd certainly never equate anything like enforcing tint or no front plate or jaywalking laws to anything close to your example. I think it's taken for granted in this country that police don't need to worry about enforcing or not enforcing laws for moral reasons, but it's certainly not uncommon in some countries still. On the other hand, we may not like speed limit, tint, front plate tickets, but certainly have no cause to complain if we get them and they are deserved. Discretion in writing those kind of tickets is always appreciated, but we have no cause to expect that.

If I had one gripe (at least around here), it's that I wish police spent more time enforcing red light, blocking intersection, and on the interstates, illegally staying in the left lane when not passing laws. No one can convince me those aren't as much of a safety issue as speeding. Illinois has a law on the books for the latter, and I'm sure they could write tickets all day for the people that pull all the way to the left immediately after entering the highway on 4 lane (in one direction, 8 lane total) interstates, even with no cars in the next 3 lanes. If I was a cop, I'd be "generating revenue" all day from those people.
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      05-25-2012, 09:27 AM   #93
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You think cops got into the business to write tickets for no front plate and tint? Most of them are probably just as annoyed as you are that they have to stop you for something that is so easily avoided.
I think they have a really tough job and like everyone else, can have a bad day.

I was stopped by a motorcycle cop a few years back. He issued me a ticket for my tinted windows and nothing else. I was respectful and went on our ways within 15 minutes. Days later, I bump into the same cop at a local restaurant and we recognized each other. He ask, do I come here often, I said yes, I know the owners and I'm here all the time. He then asked if I still have my ticket, I said yes, he said, grab it, I'll sign off on it since it was a fix it ticket. So I don't have to remove my tint. He also went on to say, I have my front windows tinted in my Mustang as well. I was thankful but wished he hadn't said the last part. I have mixed feelings about the whole thing. Why would he issue me a ticket even though he had tinted windows himself. Kinda of hypocritical but who am I to judge...

I guess he was simply having a bad day that day.
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Nice discussion, as a German it is interesting to read all that opinions.

Just to give a remark to that statement here:
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2. In an ideal world, a given road should have differing speed limits for differing cars, traffic and weather conditions, but this is just logistically impossible. That is why I urge police to use their discretion about whether or not someone is really being a danger.

Example:

Interstate highway. Speed limit 65 mph. Heavy rain with traffic. Person driving even only 60mph should get a ticket IMO. Should probably be driving 45-50.

On the other hand, on the same highway, on a dry, sunny day in the early morning with no traffic, a person going 90 mph in a high performance car should be allowed to proceed.
Impossible? It is not. We have in Germany bridges over the highway which shows the speed limit. And the speed limit depends on the environmental conditions (amount of traffic, snow, fog, rain, dry road etc.). Near Frankfurt the A5 is usually free to drive, but at bad weather condition the limit can be restricted (normaly to 120/100 km/h).

Here's a picture of it at bad weather conditions:



There are also highways where the direction of the lanes can be changed, if more traffic is in one direction then in the other.
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      05-25-2012, 01:31 PM   #96
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I think they have a really tough job and like everyone else, can have a bad day.

I was stopped by a motorcycle cop a few years back. He issued me a ticket for my tinted windows and nothing else. I was respectful and went on our ways within 15 minutes. Days later, I bump into the same cop at a local restaurant and we recognized each other. He ask, do I come here often, I said yes, I know the owners and I'm here all the time. He then asked if I still have my ticket, I said yes, he said, grab it, I'll sign off on it since it was a fix it ticket. So I don't have to remove my tint. He also went on to say, I have my front windows tinted in my Mustang as well. I was thankful but wished he hadn't said the last part. I have mixed feelings about the whole thing. Why would he issue me a ticket even though he had tinted windows himself. Kinda of hypocritical but who am I to judge...

I guess he was simply having a bad day that day.
Heh - know what you mean. Chief of police of Pittsburgh has tint on his personal car - lives right behind my brother in law. Very nice guy. Pittsburgh cops will not write tint tickets in my experience unless you have done something else to get their attention. Even then, it's pretty unlikely. On the other hand, get out in the suburbs and you may get harassed and lectured.

The thing that pissed me off personally is when the cops in Cranberry Township decided to start carrying light meters and only pulling over "rice burners" for tint. Had an STi at the time and was coming out of work to go to the gym. There is no statute that allows them to do this here in PA (carry light meters), they just decided it was a good way to make money, so they bought some.

Local magistrate was a former school teacher that didn't understand the law. County judge was reading the newspaper while I was in court. Haha! They don't even write fix it tickets...they are just fines. Profiling is crap too - there are plenty of cars with tint in Cranberry, but there were no lambos, mercs, audis, bmws, in the parking lot of court, just honda civics, subarus, etc. The law use to be totally ambiguous here, although I haven't looked into it to see if they have revised it. In one part of the law, it said that you simply needed to be able to see into the car. In another, it said it required 70% light transmittance.

Just for the record also - At a traffic stop, I always put down all my windows and turn all the interior lights on in the car. I would not want to be walking up to a car I cannot see into if I were a police officer.
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Nice discussion, as a German it is interesting to read all that opinions.

Just to give a remark to that statement here:

Impossible? It is not. We have in Germany bridges over the highway which shows the speed limit. And the speed limit depends on the environmental conditions (amount of traffic, snow, fog, rain, dry road etc.). Near Frankfurt the A5 is usually free to drive, but at bad weather condition the limit can be restricted (normaly to 120/100 km/h).

Here's a picture of it at bad weather conditions:



There are also highways where the direction of the lanes can be changed, if more traffic is in one direction then in the other.
i like this. when i am president i will make this happen. it also looks like you can set a different speed limit by lane. they do this in Argentina and it works really well (at least to my eyes as a tourist)...the left lane campers are minimized and they know that they need to move the fuck over if a faster car is coming
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      05-25-2012, 04:33 PM   #98
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I got stopped for not having any front plates but I was ready to accept that ticket. The officer mercifully accepted my bs excuse, but he could clearly see through it. He let me go with a warning and to get my plates on asap.

If you're here and you're reading this, thank you for letting me go. Any cops here from Bergen County NJ?
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      05-25-2012, 06:54 PM   #99
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A change in our driver education process, leading to changes in driver behavior and general acceptance of personal responsibility behind the wheel (no, you don't need to get to the left lane as soon as you get on the freeway while talking on your cellphone with one have and holding a coke in the other, driving with your knees and elbows at the grand old speed of 45 mph - sorry started ranting there for a moment).

This (drivers education), more than anything, would make our roads safer to drive. I worry most about the kids, but it's amazing how poorly so many adults drive. But, it really is not their fault as they never have been trained. High school drivers ed is a joke. I spend the money and put my kids through serious driver training. Not only so they know how to drive, but so they know when someone they are with does not. All they have to do is get our of the car and call me.

Nice post!!
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My career as a police officer was the most rewarding, fulfilling, exciting and frustrating time of my life. I believe it was Frank Rizzo who described the job as “like having a front row seat to the greatest show on Earth”.

Most people see policing as issuing traffic tickets, when in fact that is a very small part of the job. There is much more to it. It is akin to being the parents to the entire population of your community. When an unusual or extraordinary situation arises the police are typically called to respond. This is good. This is what is expected and what the police are paid to do. Most people are comforted when the police respond to these calls, because someone has arrived who will take control and make things better. Police officers do this daily. I did this daily in situations as trivial as a television that would not turn on (true event) to tragedies such as a father and husband who sat himself down in the bathtub and the committed suicide by shooting himself in the head. Just take a moment to think about being the first-responder to that incident.

The job can be as exciting as life gets. I have been involved in car and foot pursuits. These are as absolute of an adrenaline rush as you will ever experience; especially when you catch and arrest someone (did I mention that cops love to catch offenders). I have been involved with violent offenders that have resulted in injuries.; sometimes to me, but more often to them.

I have been bored to death. I have worked midnight shifts where I was so tired and bored that it physically hurt. I have been cold and wet. I have stood at crime scenes and motor vehicle collisions where I was so uncomfortable I wanted to cry.

As a police officer you have to navigate the politics form both inside and outside the department.

I have worked with some of the dumbest people on the face of the planet. Yes, there are some cops who are incredibly stupid. Fortunately they are a small percentage. By the same token I have worked with some of the smartest and sharpest people alive. I worked with one of the most skilled interview and interrogation specialist on the planet. He would have hardened criminals telling every detail of their crime.

The job gives you the opportunity to experience the full physical, mental, and emotional spectrum. There is excitement and euphoria and there is utter boredom. You see people being joyful and people undergoing pain, sorrow, and sadness. You see people at their best, being helpful and caring and others being absolutely despicable. You deal with the peaceful and violent. You piss-off some people and make some lifelong friends with co-workers and residents.

In addition, police officers are typically dealing with people when those people are at their emotional extremes. If you are speaking with a police officer on any given day, whether you are glad to see them or not, chances are your day has not gone as planned. I know of no one who has woken up in the morning and said, " I am going to put myself in a situation where I will be needing the police".

So in the words of Frank Rizzo, “ being a cop is like having a front row seat to the greatest show on Earth.

For those of you complaining about that tint or plate ticket; if that is the worst thing that happens to you then you are having a pretty good life.
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^^^ Good post.



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My career as a police officer was the most rewarding, fulfilling, exciting and frustrating time of my life. I believe it was Frank Rizzo who described the job as “like having a front row seat to the greatest show on Earth”.

Most people see policing as issuing traffic tickets, when in fact that is a very small part of the job. There is much more to it. It is akin to being the parents to the entire population of your community. When an unusual or extraordinary situation arises the police are typically called to respond. This is good. This is what is expected and what the police are paid to do. Most people are comforted when the police respond to these calls, because someone has arrived who will take control and make things better. Police officers do this daily. I did this daily in situations as trivial as a television that would not turn on (true event) to tragedies such as a father and husband who sat himself down in the bathtub and the committed suicide by shooting himself in the head. Just take a moment to think about being the first-responder to that incident.

The job can be as exciting as life gets. I have been involved in car and foot pursuits. These are as absolute of an adrenaline rush as you will ever experience; especially when you catch and arrest someone (did I mention that cops love to catch offenders). I have been involved with violent offenders that have resulted in injuries.; sometimes to me, but more often to them.

I have been bored to death. I have worked midnight shifts where I was so tired and bored that it physically hurt. I have been cold and wet. I have stood at crime scenes and motor vehicle collisions where I was so uncomfortable I wanted to cry.

As a police officer you have to navigate the politics form both inside and outside the department.

I have worked with some of the dumbest people on the face of the planet. Yes, there are some cops who are incredibly stupid. Fortunately they are a small percentage. By the same token I have worked with some of the smartest and sharpest people alive. I worked with one of the most skilled interview and interrogation specialist on the planet. He would have hardened criminals telling every detail of their crime.

The job gives you the opportunity to experience the full physical, mental, and emotional spectrum. There is excitement and euphoria and there is utter boredom. You see people being joyful and people undergoing pain, sorrow, and sadness. You see people at their best, being helpful and caring and others being absolutely despicable. You deal with the peaceful and violent. You piss-off some people and make some lifelong friends with co-workers and residents.

In addition, police officers are typically dealing with people when those people are at their emotional extremes. If you are speaking with a police officer on any given day, whether you are glad to see them or not, chances are your day has not gone as planned. I know of no one who has woken up in the morning and said, " I am going to put myself in a situation where I will be needing the police".

So in the words of Frank Rizzo, “ being a cop is like having a front row seat to the greatest show on Earth.

For those of you complaining about that tint or plate ticket; if that is the worst thing that happens to you then you are having a pretty good life.
Very well put, completely #firsrworldproblems. Thank you for your service
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      05-27-2012, 09:55 AM   #103
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This thread was about Cops and their M3s. Not about how Cops should do their jobs.

It's just a job. Rewarding yes. One of the rewards is my M3. I've actually approached some M3 drivers in uniform and we've talked cars. That's always fun. I'm just a normal guy with a kick ass job and a kick ass car.
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All I can say is Police, Fire and Military should be able to get M3's for next to nothing as they deserve them more than anyone! I for one am stoked to see officers on here with M's and couldnt be more grateful for the job they do! Keep up the good work guys!
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Ok let's get a little creative and lobby officers to give all m3 owners a break ... Not realistic? Ok, how about all M3 owners on m3post a break? Still unrealistic? Ok, all m3 owners in this thread a break? Lol

Now we need to get LEOs to buy in. All LEOs should get a discount from a dealer.

That was fun...
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Yep, I'm one in Socal..... Ive kept it quiet but a few people know it on here already so.... OH well...
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Ive had some OC police try to ticket my old STI's rear wing! And stock exhaust! I had to bust out the manual to show him a picture of the car! Honest truth.
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Ive had some OC police try to ticket my old STI's rear wing! And stock exhaust! I had to bust out the manual to show him a picture of the car! Honest truth.
That's pathetic and absurd.
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