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      05-17-2012, 02:12 PM   #23
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Because nobody is dumb enough to put a lug-centric spacer on a hubcentric wheel/car combo? I don't know how else to explain this to you.
You don't have to act like you need to explain. I understand what you're saying, I just don't agree with it 100%.
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the pattern on the ring of the spacer looks a bit unusual.. like the wheel was rocking in and out to create that.. and finally it just gave way and bent the top

I'm thinking the wheel wasn't 100% flush on the spacer.. the bolts would still torque down "properly" (as you said) but there would be a small gap and the load of driving just worked the gap wider and wider until 4 of the bolts snapped and the wheel bent the lip of the spacer working itself off..
Sounds plausible.
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wow, that's a shitty part. I just can't fathom why people would buy these spacers.

if you're going to track, Turner's spacers are the way to go. hell, even the RSTechnik, H&R and Ichiba spacers are good stuff.
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wow, that's a shitty part. I just can't fathom why people would buy these spacers.

if you're going to track, Turner's spacers are the way to go. hell, even the RSTechnik, H&R and Ichiba spacers are good stuff.
I'd love to know where your reasoning comes from.
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I'd love to know where your reasoning comes from.
Sure, how much racing experience does MS/EAS have? They're just putting their stuff on cars that get taken to HDPEs now.

How much REAL racing experience has Turner had? H&R? LOTS.

When you're putting on a part on a heavy car that experiences tons of stress and load, you want something proven and something that's used in even higher stress applications.

Go on, tell me that these spacers are all "generic" parts and the same shit. But, anyone with eyes can see the difference.

MS Spacers:


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Why buy an inferior quality part when you can buy something good for just a little more? You don't drive a Civic, cough up the extra $100 for something of good quality. That's all I'm saying.
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Sure, how much racing experience does MS/EAS have? They're just putting their stuff on cars that get taken to HDPEs now.

How much REAL racing experience has Turner had? H&R? LOTS.

Go on, tell me that these spacers are all "generic" parts and the same shit. But, anyone with eyes can see the difference.

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Why buy an inferior quality part when you can buy something good for just a little more? You don't drive a Civic, cough up the extra $100 for something of good quality. That's all I'm saying.
Turner's def look nicer. But seriously, if I were tracking a car, I would avoid using a spacer at all in the first place. For most of us, it's just for the cosmetic difference.
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Turner's def look nicer. But seriously, if I were tracking a car, I would avoid using a spacer at all in the first place. For most of us, it's just for the cosmetic difference.
lol, I just noticed in your about me section that you put "not leased" after your car.

so since you had to mention that, I assume you care more about your car as it's "yours" and won't get "returned" after a pre-determined period of time. I also think you're trying to say that you're better off than the people that "have to lease" the M3. then why don't you just spend some more $ and buy a good part.

even if it's just cosmetic, what if you hit a pothole?

do you track? there's nothing wrong with using spacers at the track. real race cars run spacers all the time.

do I track? lots. I've tracked my M5 with spacers (I've used RS Technik and even Ichiba on it) and I track my GT-R without. it all depends on the setup and how well your car is looked after and maintained.
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i didn't even know spacers were legal at the track

i don't think i would ever run a car with any brand spacers at the track
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BTW, Garage5, sorry to hear about your troubles and the damage to your car. hope it all works out for you. I would definitely contact MS/EAS. that's a bad quality/failed part.

good luck.
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i didn't even know spacers were legal at the track

i don't think i would ever run a car with any brand spacers at the track
you obviously don't track. give me a rulebook of a track where it says "spacers are not allowed."

like I said, real race cars use spacers all the time. either to push out the track of the car, to use different tire/wheel combinations or to clear the calipers. there's nothing wrong with using quality spacers at the track.
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lol, I just noticed in your about me section that you put "not leased" after your car.

so since you had to mention that, I assume you care more about your car as it's "yours" and won't get "returned" after a pre-determined period of time. I also think you're trying to say that you're better off than the people that "have to lease" the M3. then why don't you just spend some more $ and buy a good part.

even if it's just cosmetic, what if you hit a pothole?

do you track? there's nothing wrong with using spacers at the track. real race cars run spacers all the time.

do I track? lots. I've tracked my M5 with spacers (I've used RS Technik and even Ichiba on it) and I track my GT-R without. it all depends on the setup and how well your car is looked after and maintained.
Well, so far it's just your opinion that one part is better than another based on the cosmetics of it and assumptions concerning a connection between Turner's racing and the products they sell.

I would be more than happy to agree with you that the MS spacers were inferior if you had more proof than "they just don't look as good".
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Well, so far it's just your opinion that one part is better than another based on the cosmetics of it and assumptions concerning a connection between Turner's racing and the products they sell.

I would be more than happy to agree with you that the MS spacers were inferior if you had more proof than "they just don't look as good".
take a look real closely at the Turner vs. the MS.

look at the ring on the MS. it's comprised of a thin wall. the ring on the Turner spacers are thicker and reinforced. the ring has more material and has a better design. can't you see that?
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take a look real closely at the Turner vs. the MS.

look at the lip on the MS. they comprised of a thin wall. the Turner spacers are ridged and reinforced. the lip is thicker and stronger. can't you see that?
I do indeed see that. So you are assuming that this isolated failure was due to this aspect of the part? Seems unlikely if the bolts were tightened properly. Heck I still fail to see how the actual spacer could cause this failure.
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I do indeed see that. So you are assuming that this isolated failure was due to this aspect of the part? Seems unlikely if the bolts were tightened properly. Heck I still fail to see how the actual spacer could cause this failure.
I don't think anyone said it's the cause of the failure.

I think most people on the thread agree that the failure of a bolt or bolts lead to the eventual failure of the spacer.

I pointed out that I wouldn't use MS parts on load bearing areas of a car, which include bolts and spacers.
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Let me put it to you this way, if you put a 15mm spacer on your car without that lip (which extends the hub), your wheel will shear all 5 bolts off and fall off of the car very quickly. It's a load bearing piece. PERIOD.
This is the truth. All the weight of the car is on the lip on the hub/spacer. But I still think this is either an install problem or bolt problem. Once one bolt fails the rest usually fail pretty quickly.
There have been other threads on this happening to stock bolts too after a lot of track time.

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Well, so far it's just your opinion that one part is better than another based on the cosmetics of it and assumptions concerning a connection between Turner's racing and the products they sell.

I would be more than happy to agree with you that the MS spacers were inferior if you had more proof than "they just don't look as good".
agreed with your statement, I mean parts can fail, OP did you contact EAS and see what they have to say about this?
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I don't think anyone said it's the cause of the failure.

I think most people on the thread agree that the failure of a bolt or bolts lead to the eventual failure of the spacer.

I pointed out that I wouldn't use MS parts on load bearing areas of a car, which include bolts and spacers.
Agreed.

Phil, before he deleted it, posted that he thought it was the spacer that caused it.
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Agreed.

Phil, before he deleted it, posted that he thought it was the spacer that caused it.
Yeah, I thought of it some more and I didn't want to put that out there until there was more information.
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I won't ever buy MS products after my experience with their stud kit. Only 7 of the 20 studs had the proper hex head, the other 13 were smaller or had some incomplete finishing. Showed really bad QC and got a response from the company saying this was "commonplace" for their studs. Furthermore they told me to torque the studs using the double nut method to 90 lbft. Needless to say I returned them and went with Turner. Not sure if this incident was their mfg problem or something else (not properly seated, metal fatigue, etc.)
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Yeah, I thought of it some more and I didn't want to put that out there until there was more information.
Makes sense and I appreciate that.
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I won't ever buy MS products after my experience with their stud kit. Only 7 of the 20 studs had the proper hex head, the other 13 were smaller or had some incomplete finishing. Showed really bad QC and got a response from the company saying this was "commonplace" for their studs. Furthermore they told me to torque the studs using the double nut method to 90 lbft. Needless to say I returned them and went with Turner. Not sure if this incident was their mfg problem or something else (not properly seated, metal fatigue, etc.)
There's nothing wrong with the double nut method. I don't have their studs but I did this with the studs I do have.

Quality control however is a whole other issue.
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It wasn't the method that was the problem, it was telling me to install at 90lbft. I had already researched Turner and other studs and knew better. That combined with the quality of the studs themselves (and their reaction to it) was really bad. I can't imagine buying something like studs, spacers, seat mounts, etc from a company that has such an apparently casual attitude about quality.
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