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      06-07-2012, 11:02 AM   #45
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8560UG20120607

It sure is a bad week for Barry. Romney fetched $16 million more in campaign contributions in May than Obama.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/f...ement-age.html

This is the problem I have with liberals. They think that by handing out more freebies and welfare, then the economy will get better. I think to believe that, they must be the ones with magic underwear, not Romney.
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It just dawned on me that Obama didn't honor the anniversary of D-Day yesterday. That bastard would rather stick with rock and roll stars and drug addicts instead of our d-day vets and heros.
This is the type of leadership we need. Not a fundraiser in chief who spits on the graves of the dead heroes from D-Day.
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If I recall correctly, both sides voted in favor of the wars.

BTW. I've heard of the veto, But "signing statements". Where did that come from. I guess those of us in the Heartland are out of touch. But I would like to thank You folks from the right and left coast for keeping us in líne.

Signing Statements are a very real power that can be enacted by the POTUS but often is not. Bush was not the first or last to use them but it is in the manner he used them that has become controversial. Essentially it allowed him in many cases to ignore Congress and surpass many "Checks and Balances" that are in place. I am not familiar with the entirety of the Bills that he used it on but it did happen.

I would also like to add that Bush was not your typical financial conservative if you look at his spending record, he was a part of the now dwindling "Neo-Conservative" movement. Not bashing it or siding with it but it gives good insight into the reasoning behind much of his decision making. Understanding a persons political philosophy helps greatly in cases such as these, then you can form more educated opinions.
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Signing Statements are a very real power that can be enacted by the POTUS but often is not. Bush was not the first or last to use them but it is in the manner he used them that has become controversial. Essentially it allowed him in many cases to ignore Congress and surpass many "Checks and Balances" that are in place. I am not familiar with the entirety of the Bills that he used it on but it did happen.

I would also like to add that Bush was not your typical financial conservative if you look at his spending record, he was a part of the now dwindling "Neo-Conservative" movement. Not bashing it or siding with it but it gives good insight into the reasoning behind much of his decision making. Understanding a persons political philosophy helps greatly in cases such as these, then you can form more educated opinions.
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It just dawned on me that Obama didn't honor the anniversary of D-Day yesterday. That bastard would rather stick with rock and roll stars and drug addicts instead of our d-day vets and heros.
This is the type of leadership we need. Not a fundraiser in chief who spits on the graves of the dead heroes from D-Day.

Ok, reasoning with you is near impossible I think, so let's get this straight. Obama did tweet a commemorative thought on D-Day which is all Bush did some years as well, only his was written. The only difference here is the medium in which it was delivered and to be fair, Obama's reached more viewers likely based upon his followers on Twitter (16million plus).

I am cool with you hating Obama and his policies, but do your cause justice and at least find some strong arguments. The more you take things out of context and skew information the more it makes your side appear weaker and deceptive which no one respects.

Lastly, this is not an issue I would take lightly as I am a combat veteran so please do not assume it is something i care nothing about.
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This is the problem I have with liberals. They think that by handing out more freebies and welfare, then the economy will get better.
OK, will someone please confirm that he just posted a link to an article about the French President and is blaming it on American liberals?!?! Am I in bizzarro world, or is this poster completely nuts? Furthermore, has ANY liberal here posted even ONCE about freebies or welfare? You're battling imaginary issues.
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You really don't see the fact that people like Obama, Pelosi, Debbie Wassermann Schultz, and other liberals share common ideologies with the Europeans? Besides, Obama was the first world leader to invite the French socialist to come to America when he got elected. They say birds of the same feather flock together. And it's hard to dispute that liberals support far reaching government handouts and welfare, no? Obama and democrats do not believe in fiscal responsibly and saving money. Please, give me an example, anywhere, which shows a liberal budget which includes cuts and spending caps. Certainly you cannot find them in Obama's budgets. ALL of his proposed budgets would have increased our deficit by trillions and none of them received a single vote in congress.
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You really don't see the fact that people like Obama, Pelosi, Debbie Wassermann Schultz, and other liberals share common ideologies with the Europeans?
That's not a fact, that's your unsupported opinion.
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Besides, Obama was the first world leader to invite the French socialist to come to America when he got elected. They say birds of the same feather flock together.
Do I need to trot-out pictures of every Republican US President meeting with communist dictators and terrorist leaders to show how shortsighted your observation is?
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And it's hard to dispute that liberals support far reaching government handouts and welfare, no?
No. For the hundreth time, this is a stereotype that is perpetrated by conservatives. The Bush administration spent more of the money we didn't have than anybody. And we're still paying for it with the wars and tax cuts he left behind, which continues to hit our debt.

Reagan nearly tripled our debt, from 1T to nearly 3T, and Clinton lowered our debt. The current administration's proposed budget has trillions in budget cuts. So once again, I must say you do not know what you are talking about.

Before you make 10 more posts full of regurgitated platitudes from Fox news and Rush Limbaugh, try finding some useful facts to discuss instead.
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I was never a big fan of Bush and neither were a lot of conservatives. I considered him a fiscal socialist with the spending he was doing. But you still haven't posted a reply that makes me believe Obama is different from the socialist French president. Point being that Obama is spending this country into oblivion and has no idea how/doesn't want to reduce our debt and cut spending. What the conservative governor of Wisconsin (Scott Walker) did with his state shows how it's possible to turn a $3 billion debt into a $150 million surplus. That's also why he won, because people are sick of tax and spend liberals and their poor economic policies.
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You really don't see the fact that people like Obama, Pelosi, Debbie Wassermann Schultz, and other liberals share common ideologies with the Europeans? Besides, Obama was the first world leader to invite the French socialist to come to America when he got elected. They say birds of the same feather flock together.
I'm curious, what exactly are these ideologies you claim they share with the EU? The tone of your post suggests you are not a fan of Europe or perhaps Europeans, yet you hang out on a forum dedicated to German made automobiles, specifically BMW. Ironic, no?
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Lol, I'm actually a Bulgarian by nationality and I immigrated to the States as a young kid. About half of my family over there is still communist though, lol. Also, of all the European countries, I like Germany the best. I don't dislike Europe, but some of its countries like Greece and Spain make me fear that the US will turn into them if we continue spending at the rate we are.
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Lol, I'm actually a Bulgarian by nationality and I immigrated to the States as a young kid. About half of my family over there is still communist though, lol. Also, of all the European countries, I like Germany the best. I don't dislike Europe, but some of its countries like Greece and Spain make me fear that the US will turn into them if we continue spending at the rate we are.
It is obvious that debating with you is pointless, since you are obviously not very objective and from what I've seen you post, you regurgitate views that support your own...but, alas, I will point out a key difference between the U.S. and the European countries you "fear" of turning into, as I did to my brother who still lives in France. We actually WORK many hours in this country and are MUCH MORE productive, debatably to our detriment socially, but definitely to our benefit economically, so there is NO WAY, that I can see, how we can ever become like Spain or Greece.
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Lol, I'm actually a Bulgarian by nationality and I immigrated to the States as a young kid. About half of my family over there is still communist though, lol. Also, of all the European countries, I like Germany the best. I don't dislike Europe, but some of its countries like Greece and Spain make me fear that the US will turn into them if we continue spending at the rate we are.
On that we agree, Evos. Spending in the US could be reined further and should be. I also happen to believe that taxes need to be raised as well. But that is a can of worms I am not too interested in opening at the moment.

Should we cut all spending, no. We should be spending more on infrastructure improvements than we are. Roads, bridges, and dams are rapidly deteriorating and something needs to be done soon. I'm no economist or analyst, but wouldn't this also put some people to work as well? I suppose it isn't as simple as that though.

Greece is a problem for sure as is Spain. If truth be told, Greece should never have been granted entry into the EU to begin with. It has no economy to speak of other than tourism and that is down. No big surprise there given the current situation. I believe Greece's continued membership in the Euro Zone is in doubt. With that said, there is no measure granted in the Maastricht Treaty allowing for the expulsion of a member country. It would have to either be ratified or Greece would need to leave voluntarily.

I have family in Germany, they would like to see Germany leave the EU and one even wears a t-shirt asking for his "Deutschmark Back."
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Lol, I'm actually a Bulgarian by nationality and I immigrated to the States as a young kid. About half of my family over there is still communist though, lol. Also, of all the European countries, I like Germany the best. I don't dislike Europe, but some of its countries like Greece and Spain make me fear that the US will turn into them if we continue spending at the rate we are.
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Obama's healthcare law is socialist, and now unconstitutional according to an appeals court. Obama's spent hundreds of billions, in actuality it's over a trillion by now, on a failed stimulus. He wants to spread "the wealth around" and make everyone pay their "fair share." He spent 20 years in a church listening to an anti-American preach his hate and Obama listened. Obama's parents were part of a communist group. Obama has a quest to take from the rich and grow his welfare government. He's made more people dependent on the government than any other president in history, look up how much people are on food stamps compared to before him. And even if he's not a socialist, he's a Keynesian policy supporter which usually go against American ideals and values. And don't say I don't know what I'm talking about, I was born and raised under socialism in Bulgaria before my parents and I moved to the States over a decade and a half a go.
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Excuse you? I have no idea who that person is and you're and idiot for assuming that. You must realize that in the 90s many people from Bulgaria and Bosnia fled the countries in droves because of (finally) open borders and the wars going. Damn you libs are presumptuous.
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It is obvious that debating with you is pointless, since you are obviously not very objective and from what I've seen you post, you regurgitate views that support your own...but, alas, I will point out a key difference between the U.S. and the European countries you "fear" of turning into, as I did to my brother who still lives in France. We actually WORK many hours in this country and are MUCH MORE productive, debatably to our detriment socially, but definitely to our benefit economically, so there is NO WAY, that I can see, how we can ever become like Spain or Greece.
http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/12/news..._net/index.htm
If the economy was getting better, than why are so many Americans on government assistance and why is the number continuing to grow? A country dependent on a government usually leads to poverty as the government cannot, at some point, continue aiding all of these people.
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Excuse you? I have no idea who that person is and you're and idiot for assuming that. You must realize that in the 90s many people from Bulgaria and Bosnia fled the countries in droves because of (finally) open borders and the wars going. Damn you libs are presumptuous.
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Look, I don't know who this guy is but I guess by same language you mean conservative? And yes, conservatives dislike Obama for many of the same reasons we disliked Bush; they've both grown government to extreme and historically high levels that have made government both inefficient and full of waste. Frankly, a stimulus of $400 billion isn't going to help the economy, unless of course we give failing solar panel companies $500 million and then a couple more million to see why pigs smell bad. If you can't see through the smoke and mirrors that this bill is just to give more money to unions and help Obama's reelection then you're a lost cause.
Angel, you're still posting in the Stock Market II thread. Are you gonna leave or do I have to bounce you out?
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Go screw yourself you loon. I work for a financial firm and have to know what's going on with markets as I have interests in them.
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Oh I get it. This is how you try to win a debate, by using lies to get the other side to shut up. Typical liberal. You still haven't answered to my posts and fail to understand how bad Obama's economic policies are.
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