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      05-13-2012, 04:52 AM   #1
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Chuckwalla Valley Raceway (CCW) oh shit moments 05.12.2012

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What tyre setup are you running? Your car seems very loose at the back
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      05-13-2012, 05:02 AM   #3
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Haha you must had fun!!! It seems MDM developed a bad habit on you, most of those moments were caused by too much steering input.
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Haha you must had fun!!! It seems MDM developed a bad habit on you, most of those moments were caused by too much steering input.
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Nicely done! Looks like a great track for pushing the limits and learning car control.
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Nice saves. It does look like it oversteers. That track looks to have a lot of runoff, wish we had that on the east coast. I guess VIR is closest in terms of runoff but still plenty of nice walls to hit.
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Nice driving Randall, perfect track for MDM off! How did your times compare with MDM on times?
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      05-13-2012, 04:44 PM   #9
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the good thing about these "oh shit" moments, is that you camera captures a lot less wind noise, letting us hear the tires screaming better
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Might want to increase front psi or decrease rear psi.

Or try to get your turning done sooner....as in well before apex.

Great video and editing. Great track for practicing car control.
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What tyre setup are you running? Your car seems very loose at the back
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Haha you must had fun!!! It seems MDM developed a bad habit on you, most of those moments were caused by too much steering input.
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Nice saves. It does look like it oversteers. That track looks to have a lot of runoff, wish we had that on the east coast. I guess VIR is closest in terms of runoff but still plenty of nice walls to hit.
Due to running MDM for so long (decided to go DSC off only recently), I guess I'm just now noticing/experiencing the tendency for square-setup'd E9x M3's to oversteer.

It'll serve to keep me on the edge constantly.

Plus, in MDM mode, I had to wiggle the steering wheel a lot in corners. So, perhaps Ricky is right about my steering input triggering some of the oversteers.

Anyhow, at some point, I may try staggered setup (265f/285r or 275f/285r).


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Might want to increase front psi or decrease rear psi.

Or try to get your turning done sooner....as in well before apex.

Great video and editing. Great track for practicing car control.
I'll definitely try that at the next track day -> at Buttonwillow at first weekend of June. It's a very technical track.


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Nice driving Randall, perfect track for MDM off! How did your times compare with MDM on times?
Thanks Scott. Would've been good to have you there with Ryan and I. Didn't have lap timing yesterday. And, as I continue to get acclimated to DSC off tracking, I won't be getting lap timing/transponders throughout the summer and fall. I just want to focus on driving.

Anyhow though, I'm pretty sure it was slower than my previous time there (and, I expect it to be so for a while).


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Nicely done! Looks like a great track for pushing the limits and learning car control.
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Nice saves. It does look like it oversteers. That track looks to have a lot of runoff, wish we had that on the east coast. I guess VIR is closest in terms of runoff but still plenty of nice walls to hit.
Yeah, this track is universally liked, and track people like to drift there. I'll try to upload a full lap video soon.

With so much runoff areas and only around 20 drivers in attendance, it was the perfect track as I start my DSC-off journey. If it wasn't so far, I'd be there once a month...


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the good thing about these "oh shit" moments, is that you camera captures a lot less wind noise, letting us hear the tires screaming better
Indeed. Screeching tires are happy tires.
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      05-13-2012, 11:23 PM   #12
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Looks like you're pinching your exit... less steering input and let the car track out more.
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      05-13-2012, 11:28 PM   #13
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      05-13-2012, 11:50 PM   #14
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Happy to see you're practicing your sideways skills
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      05-14-2012, 04:48 PM   #15
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Thanks Scott. Would've been good to have you there with Ryan and I. Didn't have lap timing yesterday. And, as I continue to get acclimated to DSC off tracking, I won't be getting lap timing/transponders throughout the summer and fall. I just want to focus on driving.

Anyhow though, I'm pretty sure it was slower than my previous time there (and, I expect it to be so for a while).
You were probably consistent ~2:11 to 2:12 based on my timing (and I think this config is probably 1.5-2 seconds slower than CW from what I can tell, based on other people's PBs both ways).

Don't make it sound like you were that slow, going to make me feel bad
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Good track for car control.

Staggered tires would fair better for you here.
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yea, pinching your exists will cause those spins. be really smooth as u get to maximum steering angle and if and when the car does let the rear out, you need to react much faster in counter steering.

The fact that this happened soo many times though suggests that you dont really have the feel yet for when the rear tires are beginning to slip, or when youre at maximum slip angle. Keep at what youre doing at chukawala till you can feel that perfect "slip" angle and basically hold it there.

In the case that the rears do come out, try to hold the throttle where it's at and not let off or add more throttle too. Helps make the car come back smoother
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Chuckled at turn 7 take 3. LMAO when you finally lost it. Entertaining vid..
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Actually, I'm going to say the OP has excellent feel of when the rears are stepping out. The fact that he caught it so many times is somewhat encouraging.

The "pinching" of the turn and the square tires are the last of his concerns, however. The reason for the spin and the multiple near spins is in the eyes. The fact he's making sudden hand movement on the ENTRY to a turn means he's not looking at where he's suppose to go. Most of the near spins happen because he's either way off-line or brought his vision back down because he's way off-line, and cranked the steering wheel in to try and get to the apex when it's already too late to get to the apex.

IMO, the DSC/MDM has made him look too good for too long, and he's already picked up enough bad habits to last a lifetime. This isn't a problem that staggered tires will fix, but a fundamental re-programming of the driver is needed.

Sorry if this comes off offensive. For all I know, OP may have been doing this on purpose and was just having "fun."
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It doesn't take a lifetime to turn in correctly... Just some good coaching and seat time

It takes balls to post one's screw ups. Let's try to be supportive and constructive.
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Way to step it up Randall, way to step it up!!
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It's all good. I appreciate the candor.

And, I know I need to fix a lot of things. But, that's what's making it fun again.

At the rate I track each month, I'm hoping that the MDM muscle memory will transition to DSC-off muscle memory sooner, rather than later.



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yea, pinching your exists will cause those spins. be really smooth as u get to maximum steering angle and if and when the car does let the rear out, you need to react much faster in counter steering.

The fact that this happened soo many times though suggests that you dont really have the feel yet for when the rear tires are beginning to slip, or when youre at maximum slip angle. Keep at what youre doing at chukawala till you can feel that perfect "slip" angle and basically hold it there.
What exactly is pinching an exit?


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In the case that the rears do come out, try to hold the throttle where it's at and not let off or add more throttle too. Helps make the car come back smoother
This was my primary specific goal this past weekend - i.e. to train my foot to stay on throttle when the rear comes out and I counter. I'd say I need more practice.


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Chuckled at turn 7 take 3. LMAO when you finally lost it. Entertaining vid..



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Happy to see you're practicing your sideways skills
Some day, I hope to tandem drift with you, buddy. Some day.


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Way to step it up Randall, way to step it up!!
Thanks buddy. Are we gonna see you on June 2nd or 3rd at Buttonwillow? I'm registered for the 2nd.


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You were probably consistent ~2:11 to 2:12 based on my timing (and I think this config is probably 1.5-2 seconds slower than CW from what I can tell, based on other people's PBs both ways).

Don't make it sound like you were that slow, going to make me feel bad
Welp, you be right. I picked out what appear to be 2 of the quicker laps and they're 2:11~2:12. Here's the video.

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