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      04-30-2012, 05:53 AM   #23
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i think either way the m3 will be sought after
Yup. There are plenty of buyers for both. It's all about availability. I had to search for 6 months and go 3 states away to find my car. I am a die-hard 6MT guy and while I respect that others love their DCT I just can't stand the notion of not having a clutch and 6MT to mash.

I will say that I had a much harder time finding a 6MT than DCT. Not to mention one that had ZTP also which was another must IMO. Adding 19" wheels and the color combo of my choice only further delayed me finding the right car. In the end I probably negotiated less than any car I've ever bought because I wanted it so bad and knew there were so few out there that fit my exact requirements.
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      04-30-2012, 08:33 AM   #24
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BMW M3 buyes are the weirdest bunch in the world. Some will pay extra for less options, there is no logic, you won't know until you start discussing with a few buyers and they evaluate the entire car.
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Not much left to say as far as a best guess but IMO it doesn't matter. Without arguing whether this is a GT car, sports car, etc I think most people would agree its a performance oriented car. The trans is fundemental to the way the car drives and having a stick when you don't want it or DCT when your a stick guy is never going to be a trade off worth making for a few k here or there in resale.
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MT will always be more sought after in the long term.
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considering the dct is a $3k option, i'd be surprised if that wasnt reflected in resale value
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      04-30-2012, 11:11 AM   #28
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considering the dct is a $3k option, i'd be surprised if that wasnt reflected in resale value
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Plus, this is the first (proper & reliaable as it seems) DCT in a mass produced car so in the (very) long run I guess one could see some added value...
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      04-30-2012, 11:57 AM   #29
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When I bought mine I wondered if I wanted a 6MT. I am so glad I did get it. Driving a
6MT is so much more engaging and fun. My GF actually believes that her DCT is a manual! I asked her where the clutch pedal is and she went DUH...
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      04-30-2012, 08:39 PM   #30
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My expereince is when it comes to resale:

When you are selling a DCT car people "wish" it was 6M
When you are selling a 6M car people "wish" it was DCT......

However, I have been noticing (in my local area) dealers keep DCT's in stock but manuals will most likely to be ordered..... The appears to be more DCT's available in general market as well.....

In the end, one should buy what they want on such a unique car like M3.
I notice this too. So after the end of production, there will probably be more DCTs on the road than MTs.
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      04-30-2012, 09:53 PM   #31
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Let's face it, there are more and more enthusiasts who are willing to let a computer do the driving for them instead of working the clutch and the stick. DCT is a great transmission but it will never satisfy you the way a perfectly shift executed by YOU will. Future generation M3s will put the current M3's performance numbers to shame but a car is not judged just by the numbers. The E30 M3 can't even beat today's ordinary car in numbers but it's FEEL and other characteristics that require driver involvement makes it one of the most sought after BMWs ever. This is the reason why after over 25 years all the magazines and enthusiasts still consider it the best M car ever. 6MT + 4.0L V8 (just like the M3 GTR) in the E92 chassis will be in demand when they done making them next year.
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      04-30-2012, 10:14 PM   #32
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I quote one forum member who said, "it is a car to be enjoyed by driving, as an experience, not as an exercise in transportation." We don't drive M3s just to go from point A to point B, we drive it to experience the joy actually DRIVING the car, and that's mean more than steering, stepping on gas and brake, and pulling on the paddles.
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      04-30-2012, 10:23 PM   #33
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Supply and demand always plays a role in this, depending on when the car is sold. Looking at SMG for an influence to the future doesnt help. DCT is actually nice and liked by users lol. Total prefence, you find the guy that wants DCT with those options and color he will buy, it also goes the other way. Personally I love both, but I think DCT in this car is unreal - even compared to all manufactures.
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The DCT is a $2500 option and will bring the same incremental percentage increase of value the car itself retains. Just like any other option any other car will have. Dud discussion.........
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      05-01-2012, 08:29 PM   #35
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The DCT is a $2500 option and will bring the same incremental percentage increase of value the car itself retains. Just like any other option any other car will have. Dud discussion.........
Sure thing. Kinda like the active seats in an m5.
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Well it all depends on a buyer. My friend just traded his lambo in on a 2011 M3 6-spd.
Lambo to M3, really? Do you have any other friends that have lambos or ferraris that would like to trade with me?
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      05-01-2012, 08:57 PM   #37
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The DCT is a $2500 option and will bring the same incremental percentage increase of value the car itself retains. Just like any other option any other car will have. Dud discussion.........
Disagree. It's all about individual buyers and what they are looking for. In the used car market, especially one as small as with M3s and with so many buyers looking for specific options/features I think it would generally not make a difference or in some cases even the opposite effect. For example, I am a 6MT guy and would simply never consider a DCT, so much that I wouldn't even buy one with the same exact options and color combo even if it was less than the 6MT. I simply would never be happy with my choice. In other words, I'm an example of someone who would pay MORE for a non DCT with the options and color combo I want.
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      05-01-2012, 09:00 PM   #38
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The DCT is a $2500 option and will bring the same incremental percentage increase of value the car itself retains. Just like any other option any other car will have. Dud discussion.........
Not necessarily..the drivetrain choice can hardly be thought of as just a dollar option like navi..heated seats etc.

As others have hit on there are just fewer manuals out there cause DCTs are every where..plus there is a "fun" factor in MTs even though they are not as fast ...

I have seen people reactions to my car .. like "oh you got an MT..cool". just sayin.
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LOL......sure if you had one for sale I would have gotten in touch with you.

I looked hard on the for sale forum on M3post for him to find a 2011 fully loaded 6-speed E92 M3 coupe comp. pkg. Some how I did not get much luck as most of the cars for 2011 on sale at that time were DCT or not fully loaded or not E92 coupe.

Every body at the dealer ship including the young nice looking female receptionist asked what is wrong with him.....it was funny the reaction people had as they could not believe.

Anyways he got $75K check cut out to him and a 2011 fully loaded M3 comp pkg. So I do not think he felt too bad. He wanted to own the E92 M3 once before the next generation came out.

Anyways, this M3 is temporary to hold him over for a year or so......as he has his eye set on a all new Dodge Viper. I guess he is trying to own some thing sophisticated like M3 before going with some thing totally insane and maniac like all new Viper.


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DCT will be worth more IMO... there are too many sticks out there. also this is America, most people want AUTOS, yes i know the DCT isn't an auto... its a dual clutch however, people want playstation fast! that is the DCT!
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DCT will be worth more IMO... there are too many sticks out there. also this is America, most people want AUTOS, yes i know the DCT isn't an auto... its a dual clutch however, people want playstation fast! that is the DCT!
I personally wouldn't consider a DCT, if I was looking for a used m3. But I am biased since I own a manual one. Many reasons, previous owner launch control usage, warranty, repairs,Software version(some has lag some don't) too much hassle for an extra 1/10 of a second faster in shifting .. plus driving manual is just more fun anyway and you can't do heel toe rev match yourself the computer will do it for you...I knew computer shift faster but I just for once want to do something myself and not rely on any computers.
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      05-02-2012, 11:01 PM   #42
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have a feeling ppls want DCT and since your paying more for DCT in the first place. You will get more back
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My expereince is when it comes to resale:

When you are selling a DCT car people "wish" it was 6M
When you are selling a 6M car people "wish" it was DCT......

However, I have been noticing (in my local area) dealers keep DCT's in stock but manuals will most likely to be ordered..... The appears to be more DCT's available in general market as well.....

In the end, one should buy what they want on such a unique car like M3.
M3's aren't super unique, they are mass produced. There are so many in socal .

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have a feeling ppls want DCT and since your paying more for DCT in the first place. You will get more back
DR.WOnder, you know that E46 M3 6MT's are worth more than E46 M3 SMG's even though SMG's were extra.
Most people that buy used M3's are enthusiasts and I think they prefer manuals?

I believe the same thing will happen for E92 M3's.

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I would consider a SSK. Makes a world of difference.
Makes no difference. I've been through two of them and they're both the same. Like someone else said, this car forces you to pay attention while driving the 6MT and the driver just naturally adjusts to it. 1st to 2nd is notchy and the clutch in this car has little to no feedback for the driver. After 4 years of driving my car I still can't consistantly get a smooth take off out of 1st. Hopefully the next M3/4 manual will address this.
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